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Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Time Capsule has been unsupported since 2018 (last shipped 2013): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPort_Time_Capsule I think there's some population of folks that have been doing NAS TM backups over AFP, and they'll now have to switch to SMB.

Have they, by chance, also fixed the issue where MacOs' SMB implementation is unusably slow when copying many small files?

A backup of my 2TB MacBook literally takes weeks.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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> will require connections to certain servers to be made using at least TLS 1.2 Seriously, no-one should still be using 1.1 since ... 5 years ago? It's not even the 1.2 -> 1.3 previous upgrade problems we're talking about.

Fun fact, GCP cloud run still accepts TLS 1.1 connections by default. You can enforce higher versions only with a load balancer

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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The economics make the reasoning obvious, though. With closed source IP, every bit of support, from bug fixes, to feature requests, to compatibility fixes to integrate with newer mainline/foundational tooling, costs money. With open source projects (and in particular ones like Linux where there's a huge number of contributors and interested parties), support for would-be niche facilities can keep going as long as the…

> The economics make the reasoning obvious, though. Looking through Apple’s financial statements, they theoretically could support these old systems. I’m not saying a cut doesn’t make sense, but just that economics-wise they could keep one guy for it

There’s also a halo effect when support extends for a longer-than-typical product life that gives a sense of commitment to a platform.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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I can pull about 700MB/s off my NAS over a 10Gb link. I wouldn’t exactly call it slow.

I think SMB is quite chatty -- if you have lots of small files, you can get quite slow.

You can mount webdav — which has been more reliable for us.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Do you have a detailed source for this? I want to read more about it. Because I noticed my old Core 2 Quad PC with Nvidia 8600GT that my parents use as their email and Facebook machine, doesn't boot with any linux newer than Kernel 6.1 even though I can get Windows 11 to boot on it. So the myth around "Linux is great for old PCs", highly depends on what HW you have.

Sounds like an Nvidia driver module issue more than anything else. If I had to guess, simply removing the Nvidia module should fix that and still get you video through one of the various backup paths (opennuveau etc)

You can run no-mode-set to get video output at boot/installation phase but then you're stuck with 800x600. That's with the FOSS nouveau driver in the kernel.

There's no fixes that I could find. My LLM research says nouveau dropped support for that Nvidia architecture on newer kernels. Bummer.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Sure, but still just a single drive. My old trusty readynas should still work i think.. probalby. Supports smd for time machine and smb3 generally. If it doesn't I might finally be pushed onto a nas that isn't discontinued.

I had an early ReadyNAS that was a champ for years. I wonder if the fact that it was based on SPARC had anything to do with its longevity.

the one i have is my second readynas.. its a later one and is x86 but it's still kickin'. The first failed suddenly so i bought the second hoping to migrate the disks, but they changed the architecture so that wouldn't work. I determined that all that happened to the first was that the power supply gave up. Sourced one from ebay and it was back to working but i went ahead and did a migration then gave the old one to a friend. It's apparently also still doing just fine.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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If you want to keep your shiny Apple stuff you're effectively trapped. Their walled garden approach works extremely well…

What "walled garden"? The Mac-only apps aside, what's that that you couldn't get on Windows (and most even on Linux), either the same thing, or a zero-switch-cost subscription (it's not like you need to rebuy something to go from Music to Spotify for exampe). iCloud? You can use Google Drive or Dropbox or whatever MS calls theirs. Apple Music? Pretty sure it plays at both. Most major apps are cross platform (Adobe, M…

How many long term MacOS users actually know how to use anything else than MacOS and their ecosystem apps and would feel comfortable switching away?

I mean Average Joes off the street, who can't find Ukraine on the map, not HN users of Macs with a SaaS side hustle.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Ubiquiti is really taking up the slack in some areas Apple has abandoned. I bought a UNAS-2 (and a couple of 12 TB IronWolf Pro drives) a few months ago when the "time capsule will not be supported in a future version of macOS" warning first appeared. It has been outstanding alongside the rest of my UniFi setup, and perfectly supports Time Machine backups. The UniFi Identity macOS app means my family's computers alwa…

I'm baffled as to why folks downvoted this.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Apple was still using Kerberos when I was there not that long ago.

Hmm, the more I think about I think you’re right, they likely still do use kerberized nfs, but I think the auth layer they use is… different. Without giving too much away, the internal SSO software ends up either wrapping or providing Kerberos tickets in some way, so I’m imagining that code path doesn’t panic. In fact that’s probably the clue… everyone internally at Apple using krb5 auth with nfs is probably using th…

If you want a slightly different black hole to send your report to, you could use Feedback Assistant: https://developer.apple.com/feedback-assistant/

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Although TimeCapsule is more than decade old, it serves nicely with TimeMachine (automatic backups). Sad to see that going away permanently for Apple Silicon.

"Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff. I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All…

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