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Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha...

Compare and contrast https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/come-on-obviously-the-purpo...

Is the purpose of replying to Wikipedia with random substack drivel to get downvoted? Or is it a byproduct of the system?

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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Betting "no" on an outcome, is bettering "yes" on ALL other possible outcomes. There is even an operation for it: https://docs.polymarket.com/advanced/neg-risk

Am I misunderstanding? I think that’s trivially not true. Consider: Joe Dart elected president Y/N Cory Wong elected president Y/N A no bet on Joe Dart is not a yes bet on Cory Wong.

Dart/Wong for America ‘28 - Give America Back Its Groove.

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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https://x.com/sterlingcrispin/status/2043723823678382254 They admit no returns. But it does seem like a fun project and nowhere does it say anything about returns or profits so not scammy imo just funny meme backed code

Yes exactly. The bot has zero risk management and I have a strong disclaimer on the github it is essentially a meme. 73% of all polymarkets do resolve to No though. There's a good dataset on huggingface if you wanted to do some data science https://huggingface.co/datasets/SII-WANGZJ/Polymarket_data

reminds me of that one story when someone won a poker bot competition by always going all in

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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post #205

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They are motivated to pick what they believe is most likely to happen. The develope their idea of what is most likely to happen for the news. The reporters use their bets to wrote stories predicting what will happen. See the loop?

That's not how it works. First, you have inside traders. Then, among legitimate bettors, you have smart people using multiple data sources (not just the "news") and doing sophisticated analysis that most journalists cannot do, and are not motivated to do -- again, because their incentives are different.

Smart people cannot predict things by 'research'. "Will the US strike Iran by X date" going from 20% likelihood to 80%+ within hours points simply to insiders.

You can do research to know the US would strike, there's no other point in moving multiple carriers over to somewhere. But exactly WHEN is not researchable. This applies to most other bets. So lets stop pretending there's anything more than 2 cohorts, insiders and degenerate gamblers.

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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post #221
post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compare and contrast https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/come-on-obviously-the-purpo...

Is the purpose of replying to Wikipedia with random substack drivel to get downvoted? Or is it a byproduct of the system?

Well, that's not what the system does. So it can't be its purpose, I guess.

In any case, the blog is well regarded in these circles.

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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post #209

Betting "no" on an outcome, is bettering "yes" on ALL other possible outcomes. There is even an operation for it: https://docs.polymarket.com/advanced/neg-risk

Am I misunderstanding? I think that’s trivially not true. Consider: Joe Dart elected president Y/N Cory Wong elected president Y/N A no bet on Joe Dart is not a yes bet on Cory Wong.

Did you read the link? A NO bet on Joe Dart is a YES bet on Cory Wong + Others.

It is trivial. Saying NO to a candidate means you're saying YES to ALL other candidates with varying probabilities that would sum to the neg risk of that NO bet.

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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post #209

Betting "no" on an outcome, is bettering "yes" on ALL other possible outcomes. There is even an operation for it: https://docs.polymarket.com/advanced/neg-risk

That's not true. The different outcomes don't have any relation to each other.

If you had only bothered to open the link and understand what it even being said.

If you don't think it's true, then go ahead and arb polymarket for all the incorrect pricing.

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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post #201
post #163

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Could you point me towards some resource that would help me understand what you wrote? Genuinely curious about how this stuff works

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient-market_hypothesis might be a good start.

That's pure ideology and not empirical. There's you know, even a large section there in that article pointing that out

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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> 73% of all polymarkets do resolve to No though. I bet the average price for a no bet across these markets is 73 cents.

A persistent bias in prediction markets is pricing very non likely events as slightly more likely than they are. ie; a 1% event priced at 4%, etc, because people like to bet long shots. Whether there is enough of a predictable bias there to snag enough low return high probability bets to beat the vig and not shift the markets I have not looked into in any way,but it is a known bias with them. The real money to be mad…

I think you get less return on investment for the same absolute edge in percentage points. A 1% event priced at 4% gets you a 3/96 = ~3.1% return. A 53% event priced at 50% gets you a 6% return. You nearly double your returns by investing in the latter market even though they're both off by 3 percentage points.

If the market isn't resolving soon, the small return might not be worth it.

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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post #203

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and facilitate insider trading, like how do people miss that part

To say the purpose of a market is to reveal insider information is how you say insider trading is a good thing without saying insider trading is a good thing. There's a ton of scholarly debate about it, and at least most of the early stuff was pretty earnest. But rather than the debate becoming more refined and nuanced over time it seems to have bifurcated along partisan (or partisan adjacent) lines like everything e…

The proof that free markets are efficient (even in the narrow sense economists use this word) relies on an assumption of perfect information. This has been known at least since Akerlof.

The Misesian folks are a lost cause, IMHO. They're hardcore rationalists, self-indulging in circular moral arguments from assumptions that don't apply in the real world.

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