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System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by MattRix »

cedws wrote: post #80
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A jump that we will never be able to use since we're not part of the seemingly minimum 100 billion dollar company club as requirement to be allowed to use it. I get the security aspect, but if we've hit that point any reasonably sophisticated model past this point will be able to do the damage they claim it can do. They might as well be telling us they're closing up shop for consumer models. They should just say they…

More than killer AI I'm afraid of Anthropic/OpenAI going into full rent-seeking mode so that everyone working in tech is forced to fork out loads of money just to stay competitive on the market. These companies can also choose to give exclusive access to hand picked individuals and cut everyone else off and there would be nothing to stop them. This is already happening to some degree, GPT 5.3 Codex's security capabil…

The thing is that the current models can ALREADY replicate most software-based products and services on the market. The open source models are not far behind. At a certain point I'm not sure it matters if the frontier models can do faster and better. I see how they're useful for really complex and cutting edge use cases, but that's not what most people are using them for.

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Post by girvo »

Stevvo wrote: post #53

"Claude Mythos Preview’s large increase in capabilities has led us to decide not to make it generally available." Disappointing that AGI will be for the powerful only. We are heading for an AI dystopia of Sci-Fi novels.

Not surprising though, this was always going to be the end result within our current systems I think. When you add up: scaling power and required cost, then how talent concentrates in our economic systems, we were always going to end up with monopolies I think

Unless governments nationalise the companies involved, but then there’s no way our governments of today give this power out to the masses either.

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Post by swalsh »

ru552 wrote: post #26
sourcecodeplz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't seen a jump this large since I don't even know, years? Too bad they are not releasing it anytime soon (there is no need as they are still currently the leader).

There's speculation that next Tuesday will be a big day for OpenAI and possibly GPT 6. Anthropic showed their hand today.

My understanding is GPT 6 works via synaptic space reasoning... which I find terrifying. I hope if true, OpenAI does some safety testing on that, beyond what they normally do.

Re: System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by CamperBob2 »

kypro wrote: post #212

While we still have months to a year or two left, I will once again remind people that it's not too late to change our current trajectory. You are not "anti-progress" to not want this future we are building, as you are not "anti-progress" for not wanting your kids to grow up on smart phones and social media. We should remember that not all technology is net-good for humanity, and this technology in particular poses u…

If you disagree, please understand when you realise I'm right it will be too late for and your family.

Funny, I was about to say the same thing to you! Life is full of little coincidences.

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Post by alyxya »

mulmboy wrote: post #163
WarmWash wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these fair comparisons? It seems like mythos is going to be like a 5.4 ultra or Gemini Deepthink tier model, where access is limited and token usage per query is totally off the charts.

There are a few hints in the doc around this > Importantly, we find that when used in an interactive, synchronous, “hands-on-keyboard” pattern, the benefits of the model were less clear. When used in this fashion, some users perceived Mythos Preview as too slow and did not realize as much value. Autonomous, long-running agent harnesses better elicited the model’s coding capabilities. (p201) ^^ From the surrounding co…

The first point is along the lines of what I'd expect given that claude code is generally reliable at this point. A model's raw intelligence doesn't seem as important right now compared to being able to support arbitrary length context.

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Post by therealdeal2020 »

cedws wrote: post #80
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A jump that we will never be able to use since we're not part of the seemingly minimum 100 billion dollar company club as requirement to be allowed to use it. I get the security aspect, but if we've hit that point any reasonably sophisticated model past this point will be able to do the damage they claim it can do. They might as well be telling us they're closing up shop for consumer models. They should just say they…

More than killer AI I'm afraid of Anthropic/OpenAI going into full rent-seeking mode so that everyone working in tech is forced to fork out loads of money just to stay competitive on the market. These companies can also choose to give exclusive access to hand picked individuals and cut everyone else off and there would be nothing to stop them. This is already happening to some degree, GPT 5.3 Codex's security capabil…

but you are assuming that the magical wizards are the only ones who can create powerful AIs... mind you these people have been born just few decades ago. Their knowledge will be transferred and it will only take a few more decades until anyone can train powerful AIs ... you can only sit on tech for so long before everyone knows how to do it

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Post by kay_o »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #220
tony_cannistra wrote: post #22

> Claude Mythos Preview is, on essentially every dimension we can measure, the best-aligned model that we have released to date by a significant margin. We believe that it does not have any significant coherent misaligned goals, and its character traits in typical conversations closely follow the goals we laid out in our constitution. Even so, we believe that it likely poses the greatest alignment-related risk of any…

Translation: yay, more paternalism.

Anthropic always goes on and on about how their models are world changing and super dangerous like every single time they make something new they say its going to rewrite everything and scary lmao

funny because they do it every time like clockwork acting like their ai is a thunderstorm coming to wipe out the world

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Post by RivieraKid »

mofeien wrote: post #72
oliver236 wrote: post #12

isn't this insane? why aren't people freaking out? the jump in capability is outrageous. anyone?

I am freaking out. The world is going to get very messy extremely quickly in one or two further jumps in capability like this.

Messy in a way that would affect you?

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Post by porker »

blazespin wrote: post #202
leobuskin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And as a bonus: GPT is slow. I’m doing a lot of RE (IDA Pro + MCP), even when 5.4 gives a little bit better guesses (rarely, but happens) - it takes x2-x4 longer. So, it’s just easier to reiterate with Opus

Yeah, need some good RE benchmarks for the LLMs. :) RE is very interesting problem. A lot more that SWE can be RE'd. I've found the LLMs are reluctant to assist, though you can workaround.

What is RE in this context?
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