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Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by gnarlouse »

rspeele wrote: post #218
gnarlouse wrote: post #210

I see music as "the space of all possible 5-second clips at stereo 48kHz 24bit depth". If you think about it, that space contains the intro to Stairway to Heaven and Oops I Did It Again, and the end of either song. It contains every 5-second segment of O Fortuna, plus a previously unimagined O Fortuna Remix with MF Doom rapping the pledge of alliegance backwards. My point is, AI is getting good at searching music spa…

I can’t tell if this is sincere or parody. It is like you set out to write the most HN take on music possible.

I love music, I make music. It is sincere.

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Post by jatora »

krige wrote: post #216
dbeardsl wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and that's entirely the point of music That's very reductive. Music, like writing or painting, is a medium, not a thing with intrinsic purpose. It can be a means of communication, sharing human experience, conveying emotion, evoking feelings, expressing a story, ...

To many, the relationship between what was written in the sheet and how it was played by a live performer, day I say virtuoso, is the imporant thing. The human component is the important component. This is entirely separate from pop, which is the junk food of music - cheap, filling, bad for your health.

I would argue that the human element in music is not an important contributor towards the enjoyment of music for exactly 100% of people.

Humans just biologically enjoy rhythmic sounds. We don't care who makes it, we don't care how it is performed live. Those things are just hijacking emotional memory in heightened moments, but that is completely separate from the general natural enjoyment of music.

AI music simply drives the same point home that listening to random music does when you are without a care for lyrics or artists (often, and everyone).

Your point is asinine. You love a hell of a lot of music besides what you attach to live performance. Everyone does. You do not care about the human component.

Unless you want to lie and claim you're some musical purist, this argument is shallow thinking and nothing more.

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Post by jatora »

chromacity wrote: post #115

I find the production and consumption of AI music to be uniquely... anti-human. You can make utilitarian arguments for most other uses of AI. For example, the code you're generating didn't exist before, and it would take serious time or money to write it. So, I get it, the economic argument is compelling enough. But music? There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next…

What an insane take. You dont have any songs you like that there arent many others like it and that you can generate an endless supply of with AI? Come on.

I sure do love the dying thrashes of human-creativity chauvanists. AI art, AI video, and AI music will eclipse most humans and there is absolutely nothing that will stop it. And you will use it and appreciate it more too. Once you open your eyes that is.

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Post by jatora »

DrJokepu wrote: post #93
jmyeet wrote: post #85

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I played around with Suno a little too. It's actually kind of crazy what it can produce. I mean I don't think it's objectively good in any way but for many applications this (and a lot of other generative AIs) are what I'd call "sufficiently good". When you move into an apartment or furnish a rental or whatever you might put stuff up on the wall. For many years that might just be some mass-produced prints from IKEA,…

So this kind of music has a name, it’s called production music and it’s been long expected in the industry that AI-generated music will compete with the lower-end production music, basically elevator music or background music for corporate training videos etc. It is unlikely, however, that it will get much traction in scripted long form productions, partly because studios believe it’s a legal minefield, and partly du…

so none of the reasons are quality. purely cope and risk lol

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Post by gnarlouse »

jatora wrote: post #222
krige wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To many, the relationship between what was written in the sheet and how it was played by a live performer, day I say virtuoso, is the imporant thing. The human component is the important component. This is entirely separate from pop, which is the junk food of music - cheap, filling, bad for your health.

I would argue that the human element in music is not an important contributor towards the enjoyment of music for exactly 100% of people. Humans just biologically enjoy rhythmic sounds. We don't care who makes it, we don't care how it is performed live. Those things are just hijacking emotional memory in heightened moments, but that is completely separate from the general natural enjoyment of music. AI music simply dr…

Exactly. Gorillaz was literally the cartoon characters in my mind for the entirety of my childhood, before I knew who Damon Albarn was.

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Post by dotancohen »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #200
dotancohen wrote: post #147

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I get that there is a strong online movement to destroy the traditional American Dream value of "work hard, and become rich" but that does not apply in fields where money is not the motivator. No single astronaut has ever expressed financial gain as a motivator for moving into that profession. Quite the opposite, many have given up fortunes and prosperous businesses to move into spaceflight.

You misunderstand the movements, they exist precisely because of a perception that "work hard" doesn't seem to always mean "become rich", many see rich (correctly or incorrectly) as a product of luck, connections, or other factors unrelated to work. The price of everything constantly going up makes "work hard" work less. They actually would like the dream to work. Anyway, someone may not want to pursue spaceflight fo…

Well I don't know any economic system that guarantees the "get rich" part, nor any that enables such a thing without "work hard". But no other system has enabled so many poor people to become rich people, as has the American system.

I don't live in the US. But I recognize the American system for what it does well.

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Post by jatora »

testycool wrote: post #23

I mostly listen to AI-generated music. 8 out of 10 of my top listens in the last 180 days are AI-generated. I gradually went from various genres -> mostly nerdcore -> mostly AI nerdcore. https://www.last.fm/user/testycool/library/tracks?from=2025-... EDIT: Updated link to the most listened songs in the past 180 days. The songs are not generated by me.

i love the braindead takes in the replies you are getting. attacking you for enjoying AI music. these people are in for a rude awakening... actually no. they'll assimilate quietly and pretend they were never this dense.

AI music is just as good as all human-made music. It is at the point of indistinguishability now and anyone actually using suno v5+ knows this.

various genres: https://suno.com/s/Oc5842XzzuBTk4Ma https://suno.com/s/RdmFOKpbi4zyVbRf https://suno.com/s/J4Z8t8jU9JXVJ1DB https://suno.com/s/OhfzCYkmcZhFf1Pk https://suno.com/s/VYHHLW7Hkw2uHjrb https://suno.com/s/cTu7AkoOdAyi0eWz https://suno.com/s/QvOExImOVzo1b2Gl https://suno.com/s/MASINon9lGr9JPLS https://suno.com/s/ujpTfZwVdAKy9W0h https://suno.com/s/DwekDLuEzgyNpYGQ https://suno.com/s/psWqWzDQa6Aq96Pk https://suno.com/s/JEM8G2RxD35ZUpGy

also if you like enders game lol: https://suno.com/s/gQ8eGNgnkfktl0Xq

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Post by jatora »

notatoad wrote: post #30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHQevuohJH8 my music tastes are pretty mainstream, and this just does absolutely nothing for me. it's exactly what i'd expect AI music to sound like - completely forgettable, with nothing interesting about it. i'd be willing to believe that this music was legitimately charting if it had at least some redeeming qualities, but i can't imagine how this could honestly get eleven spots on t…

Uh huh. If you didnt know it was AI you would be immediately fooled. My god the intellectual dishonesty in this thread is insane lol

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Post by stinkbeetle »

gnarlouse wrote: post #210

I see music as "the space of all possible 5-second clips at stereo 48kHz 24bit depth". If you think about it, that space contains the intro to Stairway to Heaven and Oops I Did It Again, and the end of either song. It contains every 5-second segment of O Fortuna, plus a previously unimagined O Fortuna Remix with MF Doom rapping the pledge of alliegance backwards. My point is, AI is getting good at searching music spa…

> I see music as "the space of all possible 5-second clips at stereo 48kHz 24bit depth".

5.6MB? That's an astounding number of combinations. 1 followed by 1733933 zeroes.

> If you think about it, that space contains the intro to Stairway to Heaven and Oops I Did It Again, and the end of either song. It contains every 5-second segment of O Fortuna, plus a previously unimagined O Fortuna Remix with MF Doom rapping the pledge of alliegance backwards. My point is, AI is getting good at searching music space for novel patterns, and that's entirely the point of music, not making a career out of being an alcoholic minstrel with a tour bus.

AI is not searching that space for novel patterns for the most part, it is taking what it has heard before and coming up with things based on that. Which isn't a dig at AI, that's pretty much how humans do things too. I don't think today's AIs would be able to come up with something like Stairway to Heaven if Led Zeppelin and the music they inspired had never existed though.

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Post by rebolek »

userbinator wrote: post #137
chromacity wrote: post #115

I find the production and consumption of AI music to be uniquely... anti-human. You can make utilitarian arguments for most other uses of AI. For example, the code you're generating didn't exist before, and it would take serious time or money to write it. So, I get it, the economic argument is compelling enough. But music? There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next…

There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next to nothing You train an AI on that, in order to create something that combines all of the best parts that you want. If anything, I think AI music is the natural progression of innate human desire to leverage and "stand on the shoulders of giants" to create something bigger from smaller pieces.

Which is of course nonsense because LLM is from definition unable to bring in something new. It's not standing on shoulders of giants, it's just making endless copies of them.
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