“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.”
- Universal Declaration of Human Rights
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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might not want to fight in the war but eventually the war might fight you whether you like it or not.
That's not true. When France surrendered in WW2 most French men didn't have to fight or die (unless they were Jewish).
99% of males in the U.K. avoided dying in ww2 - 380k military casualties vs a population of 47 million (and presumably 23.5 million male)
I’m assuming non military casualties were evenly spread between male and female.
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#223Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might not want to fight in the war but eventually the war might fight you whether you like it or not.
That's not true. When France surrendered in WW2 most French men didn't have to fight or die (unless they were Jewish).
That was also true of much of the feudal or monarchist European wars in the centuries before WWI. In the near term before the "democratic" era around WWI wars war largely seen as wars of the aristocracy and armed forces. Merchants could usually ~freely come and go between countries at war and you could generally pass to a country you were at war with without common people seeing you as an enemy. Wars also tended to be less "all or nothing" where the other side was evil and had to be destroyed and were seen more as property and rights disputes of the elite where armed force was a negotiating tactic or strategic use to assert some particular right.
It wasn't until the scam of 'democracy' fooled people into thinking war was against the actual people of the other country that they not only scammed everyone into having such buy-in and stakes for the war but also to view the other countrymen themselves as the enemy. People started viewing the nation of themselves because their laughable miniscule influence of their vote somehow means the government is of them. (Note this was a resurface of course, there were times in history where war was seen as against a peoples rather than of the elite).
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#225Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.
Seems crazy that women can vote to send men to war.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence The consequence is you violated the law, and they can have you at any time, even retroactively, for that. That they don't is merely a detail. If it really has "no consequence" they should remove it.
Civilized countries don’t allow retroactively increasing the penalty for breaking a law. Does Germany allow that?
The penalty doesn't have to be increased, it just needs to be selectively enforced.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
No idea why you single out nation states, all states are similar.
Nation state is just another word for state, no? What state is not a nation state?
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wouldn't trust the European Union to be the one that will challenge that German mobilization register at all. COVID-19 has proven that if anything, the European Union tends to spread national initiatives among other countries (and Germany is often a leader in EU). In this specific case, the EU is more likely to be the type of organization that would think about how to create a unified permit -> as they did with the…
That's interesting because on the face of it this none of the EU's business... but also typical of the EU and EU governments to expand what is thr EU's business little by little.
The whole existence of the EU has its background in the end of WWII.
> 18 April 1951 – European Coal and Steel Community
> Based on the Schuman plan, six countries sign a treaty to run their coal and steel industries under a common management. In this way, no single country can make the weapons of war to turn against others, as in the past. The six are Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. The European Coal and Steel Community comes into being in 1952.
https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...
Why wouldn’t a unified permit to prove you registered for mobilization be relevant to what the EU is for?
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#230This is only for citizen not refugees/immigrants so both MEA and NA folks can chill.
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