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Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by tripzilch »

zozbot234 wrote: post #116
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #108

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Whereas I as a Canadian am absolutely eager to see a serious competitor from a rival to the US because sending money south to Anthropic and OpenAI who think it's ok to spy on (or worse) their non-American customers, and are headquartered in a country that is trying to crush my country's economy, interfere in our domestic politics, and put us out of work and making threats on political allies. I'd prefer them to be op…

China (meaning the Chinese government specifically, not the people of course) is widely considered to be a low-key geopolitical rival to the developed West in general including Canada and Europe, not just the U.S. I don't exactly like this and would certainly prefer that this wasn't the case, but we can't exactly ignore the facts. This matters when we choose whom to rely on for things like certain hosted third-party…

I hate to be the one to tell you this but things changed rather quickly when they elected a clown dictator, and now the US is widely considered to be a low-key geopolitical rival to the 'developed West in general' (blergh) including Canada and Europe ...

Seriously, even if you manage to elect someone capable ever again, the US can't be trusted to not elect someone worse than a toddler again in 4 years. In fact, you can't even be trusted to not elect someone even worse than your current dictator (if you thought it couldn't get worse, Trump isn't the bottom of the barrel by far).

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by senordevnyc »

imtringued wrote: post #198
senordevnyc wrote: post #71

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Same, and my little SaaS is pushing more than 0.1% of the TOTAL volume of tokens on OpenRouter, so the reality is they’re TINY.

0.1% of OpenRouter is around 400 billion tokens per month or around $400k per month at a cost of $1 per 1 million input tokens, not counting output. I think it's pretty disingenuous to call your SaaS little when it is projected to spend at least 5 million USD just on tokens and this is a low end estimate.

Their homepage says 30T tokens monthly, so 0.1% would be 30 billion.

And I pay way less than $1 per input token, especially when caching is taken into account.

EDIT: they updated it in the last day or two, now it says 70T, so I’m a little below 0.1% now. But seriously, the point stands, 70T tokens a month just isn’t that much in the global scheme. The big labs are pushing quadrillions each.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by cap11235 »

senordevnyc wrote: post #223
imtringued wrote: post #198

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0.1% of OpenRouter is around 400 billion tokens per month or around $400k per month at a cost of $1 per 1 million input tokens, not counting output. I think it's pretty disingenuous to call your SaaS little when it is projected to spend at least 5 million USD just on tokens and this is a low end estimate.

Their homepage says 30T tokens monthly, so 0.1% would be 30 billion. And I pay way less than $1 per input token, especially when caching is taken into account. EDIT: they updated it in the last day or two, now it says 70T, so I’m a little below 0.1% now. But seriously, the point stands, 70T tokens a month just isn’t that much in the global scheme. The big labs are pushing quadrillions each.

Ill sell you tokens for just 1 cent each, as many as you want. Bargain!

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Post by kadoban »

drob518 wrote: post #218
kadoban wrote: post #216

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I just have a 3090 and 64gb ram. Yes this is more than most people have, but calling it a "publicity stunt" is just so uncharitably weird of a characterization. There's smaller models all the way down too. Like this should be _exactly_ what we want companies to release.

I apologize. I didn’t mean to suggest a “publicity stunt” was a negative. Perhaps I should have said that it was a great marketing strategy. My point was, they can cite all the metrics associated with a frontier model and yet to actually get those metrics most users will have to purchase cloud-based services. That all. And sure, some people will definitely be able to run the model and benefit from it. As you say, thi…

Yeah it is apparently some kind of marketing strategy I guess. Tbh I can't imagine they're getting enough out of it for it to make sense for them. Personally, I'm not looking the gift horse in the mouth too closely, I'm just happy that the current insane rush to make better models means we get some decent "open" ones to play with.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by cpburns2009 »

jgbuddy wrote: post #207
cpburns2009 wrote: post #65

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If Opus 4.6 was only released two months ago, then it seems reasonable that Qwen hasn't finished fully comparing against the latest Opus.

Well don't we have numbers from both models on these benchmarks already? What else is there to do except include them in the table?

Do we? I admit ignorance in this.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by Zetaphor »

zozbot234 wrote: post #125
Zetaphor wrote: post #118

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> I'm not interested in adopting an inferior closed source weight from a geopolitical rival. The open source weights argument was the one thing China had going and that I was seriously cheering them on for. They could have been our saviors and disrupted the US tech giants - and if it was open, I'd have welcomed it. Qwen is not the only Chinese lab, and the others have shown no change in their commitment to open sourc…

> the others have shown no change in their commitment to open source I wouldn't call this totally accurate, especially as of late. What's closer to the truth however is that there's lots of second-rate players in China doing open models, that will be getting a lot more attention from local AI proponents if the big names seriously slow down their AI releases. The local AI scene as a whole is quite healthy.

> I wouldn't call this totally accurate, especially as of late.

What exactly has changed? Alibaba just released a bunch of new models and have said 3.6 weights are coming soon. The others labs have shown no signs of slowing down their releases either. Whatever you're referring to is news to me and likely most others.

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Post by Alifatisk »

try-working wrote: post #152

For anyone that believes Chinese labs will stop open sourcing their models, let me tell you why that won't happen. First, try signing up for Z.ai's coding plan. I know how to but I bet you won't be able to. The absolute disaster that is Z.ai's internet presence shows that these small labs have no ability to market themselves and drive direct sales. For marketing, they lack capabilities, and releasing open models is t…

> First, try signing up for Z.ai's coding plan. I know how to but I bet you won't be able to.

What's the issue with signup up for Z.ais coding plan?

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by try-working »

Alifatisk wrote: post #228
try-working wrote: post #152

For anyone that believes Chinese labs will stop open sourcing their models, let me tell you why that won't happen. First, try signing up for Z.ai's coding plan. I know how to but I bet you won't be able to. The absolute disaster that is Z.ai's internet presence shows that these small labs have no ability to market themselves and drive direct sales. For marketing, they lack capabilities, and releasing open models is t…

> First, try signing up for Z.ai's coding plan. I know how to but I bet you won't be able to. What's the issue with signup up for Z.ais coding plan?

you can't find it

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by Alifatisk »

try-working wrote: post #229
Alifatisk wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First, try signing up for Z.ai's coding plan. I know how to but I bet you won't be able to. What's the issue with signup up for Z.ais coding plan?

you can't find it

1. Go to https://z.ai

2. Top right corner, "API"

3. https://z.ai/subscribe

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