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If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by tomwheeler »

hedayet wrote: post #25

To Github's credit, they have been showing a banner consistently. To my discredit - I never bothered to read that banner until I saw this HN headline

And even if you read the banner on the site, the email they sent, and the announcement itself, you would not see instructions that mention the specific thing(s) you must change in order to opt out.

Sure, you can poke around in the settings and find one that you believe opts you out, but in lieu of clear and explicit instructions from GitHub, you'll have no way to find out. Only the possibility of finding out later that you guessed wrong.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by munk-a »

chistev wrote: post #109
miohtama wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft would never do this (-:

I don't like when people make sarcastic remarks and sign off in a way that indicates it was sarcasm. It kills it for me. Lol. Like using that /s or using that smiling emoji sign you used. A good joke would land even if some other people miss it because of the text format. "Microsoft would never do this" would have landed for me.

I'd rather the symbol be there and occasionally see this discussion happen then the symbol be omitted and occasionally have the discussion where we try and figure out if the person was serious. When talking in person there are all sorts of visual and vocal cues and the speaker has cues in response to confirm the sarcasm was received. There are two parties that can correct that misunderstanding and have well established tools to do so.

/s is basically the internet-enabled equivalent of a sarcasm tone or a wink - it is much more difficult to detect genuine subtle sarcasm on the internet because of the absence of common communication tools. /s is also a valuable accessibility tool for those that might have difficulty with social cues and subtlety so, for all my autistic friends, I'm happy to defend it.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by mentalgear »

martinwoodward wrote: post #57
lanxevo3 wrote: post #9

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It wasn’t previously opt-in. Previously we didn’t do any training on usage. However as other products have come into the market they do train on usage. We’ve been training on our internal usage for just over a year and have seen some major improvements. For details see of the types of improvements we’ve seen from training on our internal usage check out this article: https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/cop…

This seems reasonable, maybe too much so.

> If they want to incentivise people to contribute their sources and copilot sessions, they could easily make it opt-in on a per-repository basis and provide some incentive, like an increased token quota.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by _pdp_ »

lkbm wrote: post #188
_pdp_ wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never seen any app reset/loose setting before.

What are you referring to? I set this to "Disabled" months/years ago and it's retained the disabled setting.

So? You guarantee that this setting is durable and will never revert? Or you guarantee that no client-side bug on that page will not override the setting with null value when you click save on something else? Please.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by munk-a »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #142
chistev wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like when people make sarcastic remarks and sign off in a way that indicates it was sarcasm. It kills it for me. Lol. Like using that /s or using that smiling emoji sign you used. A good joke would land even if some other people miss it because of the text format. "Microsoft would never do this" would have landed for me.

Tone does not translate well through text. If you can tell sarcasm from text, that doesn't mean everyone can. For my part, the smiley face was much-appreciated as I've seen people who genuinely would think that with a straight face. --- EDIT: Spelling of a word

I'm sure had you omitted it - instead of that reply there would have been a series of comments talking about how Microsoft actually has a track record of doing things like this. It's impossible to please everyone on the internet but I very much appreciate when people lean towards making their communication clearer.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by jmward01 »

dotancohen wrote: post #170
roegerle wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

right up top. I'm not sure how anyone could miss it.

$ git pull $ vim foo.rs $ git commit $ git push That's how.

exactly this. I rarely need to go to the site.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by booi »

layer8 wrote: post #97
martinwoodward wrote: post #43

No we won’t. Details here https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/updates-to-gi... For users of Free, Pro and Pro+ Copilot, if you don’t opt out then we will start collecting usage data of Copilot for use in model training. If you are a subscriber for Business or Pro we do not train on usage. The blog post covers more details but we do not train on private repo data at rest, just interaction data with Copilot.…

In the EU, opt-out is not a legally valid way to obtain the necessary consent. How do you plan to handle this?

probably by paying the fine and doing it anyway

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by ClikeX »

martinwoodward wrote: post #43

No we won’t. Details here https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/updates-to-gi... For users of Free, Pro and Pro+ Copilot, if you don’t opt out then we will start collecting usage data of Copilot for use in model training. If you are a subscriber for Business or Pro we do not train on usage. The blog post covers more details but we do not train on private repo data at rest, just interaction data with Copilot.…

How do you handle accounts that have copilot managed by an organisation? I've seen several cases where people cannot opt out their account because of the org connection (the option just isn't there in the settings). What happens to their account the moment they leave that org?

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by sellmesoap »

chistev wrote: post #109
miohtama wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft would never do this (-:

I don't like when people make sarcastic remarks and sign off in a way that indicates it was sarcasm. It kills it for me. Lol. Like using that /s or using that smiling emoji sign you used. A good joke would land even if some other people miss it because of the text format. "Microsoft would never do this" would have landed for me.

In Soviet Russia, Microsoft is the shit!

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by qaadika »

slowhadoken wrote: post #122
kepano wrote: post #12

I've been saying this since 2023 > If your data is stored in a database that a company can freely read and access (i.e. not end-to-end encrypted), the company will eventually update their ToS so they can use your data for AI training — the incentives are too strong to resist https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37124188

I’m still concerned about MS using the code I write on my laptop to train AI. Tinfoil hat wearing Linux users are starting to make a lot of sense to me.

It's been interesting the past year or so watching myself turn more and more into one of the tin-foil wearing linux users. I'm not sure how it happened, but self-hosting became more and more alluring and hyperfocusing on taking as much data as I can offline became worth spending entire weekends on.

I didn't become paranoid, everybody else didn't!

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