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Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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The issue of course is that the Judge can't change the knowledge that the head of the executive doesn't want people down the chain using this product, so they won't. Anthropic is a dead letter in government circles until the next Presidential election.

The type of contract they had was optional anyway. They could have just not done business with Anthropic in the first place. Really I think this has only promoted their platform as being sane and moral.

Sane and moral... and yet they sick their lawyers on open source projects like OpenCode to make sure everyone is forced to use their client software and tracking.

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Same as they already pressure these companies. Remove access to the admin thus giving them unfavorable terms on other issues compared to their rivals. Tell them as much in private and what they can do to rectify it. That's this admin's whole modus operandi, is it not? There's a reason all the CEOs clamor to go to the relevant WH events.

A CEO's time isn't that valuable. Even if you count an amortized fraction of their total compensation, sending them to a White House event for an evening is orders of magnitude less costly than giving up access to the best software development tools.

I think you have to add in the cost of PR toxicity for being so closely associated with Trump, though. Most of these guys are from the prime liberal subculture of America, even if in private they lean another way. Traditionally they've never emitted so much praise or support for one president over another, but with Trump it seems like the price of entry to get in on e.g. AI discussions around regulation or funding. Musk is arguably a player in the space but wasn't involved due to some falling out with Trump.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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... you're arguing they weren't denied due process because they could always sue to demand due process?

Post-deprivation process is still process.

There is a reason the phrase "due process" has two words instead of just the second one.

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lol judges have ruled 100s or 1000s of ICE detentions in various states illegal by now. None of that has stopped ICE from doing what it's doing. This kind of optimism in the law seems naive today because there is no mechanism to actually enforce it. All federal agents have very substantial legal & civil immunity, heads of departments have immunity as well. The head of the legal system is Pam Bondi who isn't even pros…

> judges have ruled 100s or 1000s of ICE detentions in various states illegal by now. None of that has stopped ICE from doing what it's doing. This is a weird one because ICE has lost so many habeas cases, mostly by dropping them, only for the 8th circuit court of appeals (which covers Minnesota) to overturn that the other day: https://ecf.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/26/03/253248P.pdf There was similar precedent in the 5…

This is a case where a person who actually was illegally present is denied release on bond and the court sided with ICE. It does not address illegal detentions or deportations without hearings. There are countless other cases where people are detained despite providing evidence of legal status, of inhumane conditions in detention centers, of ICE directly ignoring court orders, of ICE agents on tape lying about people ramming their car and assaulting, detaining or killing them, of ICE releasing detainees without any of their possessions or IDs on the side of the road in freezing weather, and more.

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No one cares about people who don't bother to vote. If you can't manage even that you don't deserve an opinion. blah blah some exceptional circumstances, etc you all know what I mean.

> No one cares about people who don't bother to vote. If you can't manage even that you don't deserve an opinion. It's not so much that people 'don't bother to vote',, it's more that 'we' aren't prepared to vote for crooks that will campaign on one or two issues, but actually have several agendas running. Etc, etc. The opinion I may not 'deserve', is that I'm not playing your/ this game. No, I don't have a better sol…

Don't you have an option to vote against all? Don't neglect it

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Had this conversation with a friend, but I think as an America you can be very optimistic about the institutional strength of democracy in the country. People are very pessimistic recently, but if anything, we are seeing that our system works well. A person got into power that a majority voted for, but when he oversteps, the courts and other institutions (even judges and fed reserve chairs he picked!) seem to hold hi…

He’s never won a majority of the popular vote.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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What's the point of a supply chain risk distinction if you can't mark a company as a risk if they express that they will be a risk?

I recommend reading the law on which this action was based.

There’s a narrow law in which Congress grants the Secretary decisions about security. Then there’s the executive posting on social media. While it would be nice if the administration followed the law, this case is really about manipulation via social media.

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You don’t think the horses are not already out of the barn and long gone?

I don't understand what the analogy means in this context. Do I think that it's illegal or impossible to oppose the US government? No, I do so routinely.

I’m saying the remedy is so slow and late that I wouldn’t call it a remedy. If this is how the system works, it’s a bad one.

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Had this conversation with a friend, but I think as an America you can be very optimistic about the institutional strength of democracy in the country. People are very pessimistic recently, but if anything, we are seeing that our system works well. A person got into power that a majority voted for, but when he oversteps, the courts and other institutions (even judges and fed reserve chairs he picked!) seem to hold hi…

I'm not an American but unfortunately I don't share the optimism. Your president shows time and time again he does what he wants, whether it's immoral or illegal or not within his power to do. And a majority turn a blind eye, especially his party. Some examples (correct me if I'm wrong): starting 2 wars; very questionable anti deportation methods by ICE; a DOGE that was ruthless and dumb; renaming a branch (ministry…

Begging for forgiveness… The U.S. needs an ask permission President. (You can argue of course as to whether the U.S. ever had that.)

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Glad to see the judicial system works sometimes atleast. Less cynically now, the president has admired Xi many many times openly, and it’s clear he prefers an administrative style similar to China. That is what he is turning the country into. Everybody goes and bends the knee like the tech ceos did and he controls every aspect of the administration with an iron fist, just like China.

Don’t think they would put a tv presenter to the head of the military in China. I find it much more similar to current Turkey situation. And Trump is speedrunning that process too, he is destroying things much faster
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