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Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by srean »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #213
fromMars wrote: post #195

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As a Jew and I don't think that is true at all and feel it is a bit of a dangerous characterization. Jews have just as much scruples as any other groups. What I do think is true is that Jews have more fear of others based on past treatment and even a lot of current rhetoric and may justify actions as necessary for safety. We do also happen to be a very small group of people. For instance, Palestinians have 1 billion…

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Do distinguish between Zionist / Jewish supremacist types from someone who is just Jewish.

I don't like Israel's policies towards Palestine but know many Jewish people who feel the same as me. Heck, I know Israelis who thinks the same as me.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

tinfoilhatter wrote: post #191
BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #167

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> rings of Saturn Not observed until 1610 > Saturn has a hexagonal shaped storm on its north pole Not observed until 1981/1987 > and the all-seeing eye on its south pole Not immediately clear when first observed, I'll bet it wasn't until Cassini got there in 2004. I appreciate the creativity in a new-to-me conspiracy theory, but be a little more careful about the historical record.

Not observed and yet depicted in symbolism by different cultures dating back to Babylon. Quite the mystery indeed... I'm sure you have an explanation for how the Dogon tribe knew more about the Sirius star system than we did until relatively recently as well. It's quite egotistical and foolish to assume we're more advanced and know more than our ancient ancestors, or that what is written in our history books is objec…

> I'm sure you have an explanation for how the Dogon tribe knew more about the Sirius star system than we did until relatively recently as well.

I have a hypothesis, which incorporates the fact that the Dogon were not reported to have such knowledge until the 1930s, well after the discovery of Sirius B.

> depicted in symbolism by different cultures dating back to Babylon

A bit of searching is coming up short, beyond a claim about shackles on the ankles of a Roman statue of Saturn (the god) symbolizing the rings; I find this less convincing than the idea that they symbolize shackles (the ones with which he was bound in Tartaros).

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by adamors »

tempaccount420 wrote: post #150
vrganj wrote: post #108

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Politics are indiscriminately flagged. People don't come to HN to read politics.

This is simply not true, this very submission sits comfortably on the front page, so does

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47522709

and

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47518281

and

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47523106

and

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47523169

Unless of course you mean "politics" as in everything you don't like is "politics".

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by easymodex »

nec4b wrote: post #164

There was no rigging or any manipulation of votes. Current and previous government officials were caught bragging about their previous corrupt adventures. The government after some initial shock came up with a story about foreign intervention. Slovenian newspapers and journalist activist carried it all the way to Brussels in order bank on negative emotions about Israel and hopped people will think about that. There w…

Thing is, the ones "exposing" them are already known as corrupt from multiple previous scandals, now all they did was get some people on camera which say that the other side is also corrupt. While none of this is good, I'd still vote for the ones supposedly somewhat corrupt instead of those known to be fully corrupt.

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Post by yostrovs »

port11 wrote: post #220
dadoum wrote: post #59

Recently, there were municipal elections in France, and there was Israeli interference there as well [0] (the article is pay-walled and in French but it's written in the title at least). [0]: https://www.lecanardenchaine.fr/politique/53391-la-campagne-...

Given the current sentiment towards Israel in most of Europe, manipulating elections might not be the cleverest way to win our sympathy again.

Europeans give too much value to their sympathies. Given that it's now clear to anyone that will open their eyes that there is no international law, Europe ends up looking like an old grandpa yelling at the clouds, powerless to actually do something. Sympathies are not enough.

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

rdevilla wrote: post #142
tinfoilhatter wrote: post #116

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> The god El is commonly associated with Saturn and commonly referred to as Saturn El. This is demonstrably false; see Liber 777 cols. I, II, V, and VII. Saturn is assigned key scale 3 (col I) and is associated with the Name of God "Tetragrammaton Elohim," while "El" is traditionally reserved for the fourth sephira, representing Jupiter. Six is a solar number, attributed to Christ and Ra (though also Osiris; but see…

> This is demonstrably false

Only if you consider Crowley to be the alpha and omega.

Wikipedia cites Brill's New Pauly, which I found a copy of online, and that in turn just cites a German article from the early 20th century. I don't read German and have to stop there, but I do have to wonder how well the assertion is actually supported.

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Post by refulgentis »

yostrovs wrote: post #225
port11 wrote: post #220

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Given the current sentiment towards Israel in most of Europe, manipulating elections might not be the cleverest way to win our sympathy again.

Europeans give too much value to their sympathies. Given that it's now clear to anyone that will open their eyes that there is no international law, Europe ends up looking like an old grandpa yelling at the clouds, powerless to actually do something. Sympathies are not enough.

Sympathies translate into trade policy, arms embargoes, diplomatic recognition, and votes at international bodies. The idea that soft power is meaningless because it isn't a missile is a contradiction in terms. Europe is Israel's largest trade partner. That's not nothing.

Also, "there is no international law" is a strange argument to make in defense of a country that spends enormous resources lobbying international institutions and running influence ops in allied democracies. If none of it mattered, why bother?

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Post by refulgentis »

nmeofthestate wrote: post #131

So it sounds like these guys posed as investors, schmoozed politicians, and got them on tape agreeing to do corrupt stuff. The recordings were then released to influence voters. The thing about this is, the response to it will depend on who the politicians were. For example, if it was the "far right" politicians caught on tape, there wouldn't be the same furore about election interference. The recordings may of cours…

This skips over what the article actually describes. Švarc Pipan's account isn't of politicians getting caught, it's of an entrapment operation. The fake investors "seemed to know nothing about data centers," kept pushing her toward suggesting a bribe, and paid a €500 tab in cash. She says she refused to lobby and told them she was legally barred from doing so at the time.

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Post by woodruffw »

cramsession wrote: post #181
beloch wrote: post #153

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I wouldn't go that far. The U.S. and other European powers have a long history of involvement in Middle East politics. Significant parts of the Middle East were once parts of various European empires. Many of them gained their independence only to find there were still a lot of strings and (pipe)lines of exploitation attached. The U.S. did more than its fair share to glom onto those lines of exploitation and keep the…

> Things just went sideways when it came to Israelis and Palestinians co-existing peacefully. At least some of the idealists of the early zionist movement honestly believed the influx of Jewish people would be a benefit to Arabs already living in Palestine. Teodore Hertzl (Zionism’s founder) was explicit about the need to ethically cleanse the Palestinians from their land.

Herzl, nor Hertzl. Do you have a citation or resource for this?

(I ask not because it's inconceivable, but because Herzl died almost half a century before Israel declared its independence. Ze'ev Jabotinsky is more consistently identified with revisionist Zionism/territorial maximalism.)

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