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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by g947o »

ta9000 wrote: post #183
lotsofpulp wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations don’t belong to a single jurisdiction.

Should Apple be responsible for righting the wrongs of legislation in every country it operates in? I don’t think so. Ideally it would mettle as little as possible, even though they clearly don’t (see right to repair).

Hmm. I don't think the point is that Apple has to "fight". The point is that Apple needs a moral high ground and is willing to completely give up the UK market (which I understand but don't necessarily agree with). I don't see that happening with today's environment, considering that shareholders will happily fire Cook over that.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by debo_ »

joshgachnang wrote: post #52
lynndotpy wrote: post #6

The space allocated for "Apple has lost their way" has been maxed out for decades, so it bears stressing that this time is different. This Liquid Glass debacle has disillusioned everyone from hardcore Apple fans to normal people who otherwise don't follow tech. Once the dust settles, this will be a case study for decades to come. Apple threw their hard-won reputational gains off a cliff for _nothing_.

My non-techie friends either barely notice Liquid Glass or go "ooo this is nice!". It has annoyed me on occasion, but I barely notice it any more. Much ado about nothing.

I would not even have noticed it if not for visiting this website. It's possibly worse on iOS than on MacOS, but I don't have an iPhone.

Now, if I was developing software for MacOS and it broke all my UIs, I would be at least as irritated as the author.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by philistine »

an0malous wrote: post #198
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

There's a bizarre trend, especially on HN, of unjustified criticism against Apple. There are so many YC companies committing outright fraud, Palantir is building a surveillance state, a bunch of well known founders and VCs openly promote white supremacist ideology, but you'll never see more vitriol on this forum than someone complaining about the liquid glass UI or app store take rate.

Apple holds itself to higher standards, thus its critics hold it to a higher standard than the ghouls at Palantir.

That's why I like Apple so much.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by jon-wood »

bdcravens wrote: post #131
bogdan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His complaints are that Apple only supports credit cards for age verification. Please read more carefully.

What process are other companies using?

At least in the UK it would be entirely legal for companies to use account age as a proxy for verifying you're over the age of 18. If your Apple account is over 18 then you probably are as well.

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Post by frizlab »

mathgradthrow wrote: post #212
frizlab wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone. They sure have tried since forever though. My uncle complained about Apple for this very reason ~20y ago…

wasn't that about when the iphone came out?

First iPhone was 18 years ago, but yeah it around the time of the first iPhone. IIRC he actually mentioned that because he had already been confronted to Apple’s lockdown before the iPhone. It was a long time ago and I was young, so I don’t remember the details.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by philistine »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

> at least somewhat moving in the right direction by getting rid of Alan Dye.

Alan Dye left of his own volition to Meta. I 100% believe he would still be there if he had not left.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by vaginaphobic »

stavros wrote: post #195
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #68

Any age verification should come with an OAUTH style government run API. The idea being you verify your ID with the government, and the service that required age verification gets back a true or false for does this user meet this age requirement. That way the amount of data shared is kept to a minimum. The UK, and Brazil who passed a similar law, 'cheated' by just forcing private companies to figure it out.

The EU is already implementing this in the best way it's ever going to be implemented: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-ver... I really don't like this perfect law enforcement future, but this EU initiative is about the best design one can have.

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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by aeyes »

dmantis wrote: post #179
causal wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of prefer Credit Card over anything else if I have to do it. I give out my CC pretty regularly already so not much new PII to lose there. But it does sound like Apple has bugs to work out.

Yes. The point in the post is that it's very American to assume that every adult has a credit card. I'm in my thirties and I never had nor plan to have a credit card. I always have had only debit cards. In countries I've been raised and lived it's a sign of a poverty and total dependency on the bank with additional tax on your living, not an everyday tool like Americans perceive it. Debit cards can be given to an und…

Credit cards are a sign of poverty? Now that's a hot take.

I feel in Europe having a credit card means the complete opposite, only "rich" people have credit cards.

I have a credit card, I use it, I pay it off every month. Why am I seen as poor just because I have a credit card? It's just a tool. It spares me from needing to maintain a 10000$ emergency fund in my checking account.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by chii »

an0malous wrote: post #198
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

There's a bizarre trend, especially on HN, of unjustified criticism against Apple. There are so many YC companies committing outright fraud, Palantir is building a surveillance state, a bunch of well known founders and VCs openly promote white supremacist ideology, but you'll never see more vitriol on this forum than someone complaining about the liquid glass UI or app store take rate.

that's because those other things mentioned are quite irrelevant in every day life, but the apple products' quality or bad appstore practices are directly affecting the said complainer on HN.
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