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US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

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Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

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> if we keep telling them everyone believes in this stuff and your vote doesn't count and so on I don’t know if you can fix lazy. Turning out new voters basically happens once a generation. The rest tell themselves tales that their vote could never matter, and in doing that, subtly endorse the status quo .

Your comment is extremely reductionist and reverses causality for a large number of voters. Both political parties have multi-decade track records of aggressively supporting pro-corporate political agendas at the expense of their constituency. So in light of literal decades of watching prospects decline regardless of which party is currently in power many voters (correctly) conclude that their vote will not lead to m…

> Both political parties have multi-decade track records of aggressively supporting pro-corporate political agendas at the expense of their constituency

Someone only tuning into general elections and making this complaint is either not intellectually there or plain lazy. Very few places in this country have zero competitive elections on the ballot. And none exist where calling electeds and showing up to advocate don’t move the needle. Doing those things takes effort, however, and I concede that for a lot of people that effort isn’t worth it since they’re comfortable enough—personally—with the status quo.

The flip side is that leaves a lot more room for everyone else. It’s genuinely surprising how accessible power in America is once you start wielding it. That sucks when nobody is watching but a few paid interests. It gets interesting when you find yourself, repeatedly, as the only person in the room with the levers.

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

#222

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NY Times phrases it as a reimbursement to TotalEnergies for relinquishing wind leases that they paid for. The US made the reimbursement contingent on them investing in fossil fuel projects. "The deal is an extraordinary transfer of taxpayer dollars to a foreign company for the purposes of boosting the production of fossil fuels." Total waste of $1 Bil of taxpayer dollars. If the oil and gas industry want to shut down…

The majority of tax payers voted for this to happen

Plurality, not majority. (Not that I’m excusing the dumb dumbs who decided not voting was a viable course of action when they decided that “both sides” were running bad candidates).

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

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> And even if there were, are you (tax payers) prepared to buy it for me, because I’m not due for an upgrade for about another 400,000 kilometres. 400,000 km is around two years for a commercial driver, isn't it?

In the EU it would be about 7 000 hours of driving so more like three years, or more.

What kind of vehicle is it though? There are battery electric vehicles available now in almost all commercial vehicle segments in Europe.

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

#224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NY Times phrases it as a reimbursement to TotalEnergies for relinquishing wind leases that they paid for. The US made the reimbursement contingent on them investing in fossil fuel projects. "The deal is an extraordinary transfer of taxpayer dollars to a foreign company for the purposes of boosting the production of fossil fuels." Total waste of $1 Bil of taxpayer dollars. If the oil and gas industry want to shut down…

The majority of tax payers voted for this to happen

Many taxpayers are non-citizens or convicted felons and cannot vote. Turnout of citizens who were eligible to vote last election was 65%. Of those, 49.8% voted for Trump. Some portion of them likely did not vote with this specific policy in mind.

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

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The majority of tax payers voted for this to happen

Plurality, not majority. (Not that I’m excusing the dumb dumbs who decided not voting was a viable course of action when they decided that “both sides” were running bad candidates).

With Trump getting a little bit less than half the vote and a 65% turnout, "did not vote" was the plurality.

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

#226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NY Times phrases it as a reimbursement to TotalEnergies for relinquishing wind leases that they paid for. The US made the reimbursement contingent on them investing in fossil fuel projects. "The deal is an extraordinary transfer of taxpayer dollars to a foreign company for the purposes of boosting the production of fossil fuels." Total waste of $1 Bil of taxpayer dollars. If the oil and gas industry want to shut down…

The majority of tax payers voted for this to happen

I didn't see this particular policy on the ballot. I hope you use this logic uniformly when deciding if it is valid to care about a particular policy.

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

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> The guy is unhinged, hellbent on denial, just to appease his base, who are going bankrupt because of his policies. In the middle of a war he started over war. No less. If his base wanted cheap gas, they are not going to get it.

To me, this deal makes it pretty clear who holds actual sway

Well at least oil prices are up, which is a good thing I was told by the commandering chief. Goes hand in hand with America (oil) first policy.

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

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Pay may be numerically less in the eu, but rather than me trying to convince you, try on youtube: 'why I left the USA for europe'. There are very many.!

And oddly enough plenty the other way.

That's good to know! Those would be good to look at if one wanted to know why some people move to the US.

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

#229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NY Times phrases it as a reimbursement to TotalEnergies for relinquishing wind leases that they paid for. The US made the reimbursement contingent on them investing in fossil fuel projects. "The deal is an extraordinary transfer of taxpayer dollars to a foreign company for the purposes of boosting the production of fossil fuels." Total waste of $1 Bil of taxpayer dollars. If the oil and gas industry want to shut down…

The majority of tax payers voted for this to happen

And the majority of tax payers voted for the previous admin too, which started this offshore wind project in the first place.
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