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Post by surgical_fire »

dotancohen wrote: post #218
surgical_fire wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably for no reason whatsoever.

Probably because the destruction of the state of Israel is clearly stated in the Hamas charter. As is massacre of Jews. If you don't know this, then you probably shouldn't have such strong opinions on the topic.

Yes, nothing to do with the interference on Iran from the US since the coup in 1953.

Nothing to do with how aggressive and expansionist Israel has been since its inception, not to mention how it abuses and oppresses the Palestinian population.

If you don't know this, then you probably should cut your bullshit.

Who am I kidding? Of course you know this. You just choose to ignore it.

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Post by andrewflnr »

bdangubic wrote: post #187
andrewflnr wrote: post #66

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This is binary thinking that has no place in predicting the real world. In practice, the specific person violating your constitutional rights makes a big difference in how badly your rights are violated.

oh I love this… so good! like OK to violate me a little but don’t but know where to draw the line. this is like an excuse of a chronic domestic abuser, “I slapped her/him around a little but did not slam/her against a wall”

Still doing it.

No one said either level of abuse was ok.

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Post by macintux »

dotancohen wrote: post #163
macintux wrote: post #122

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Maybe ripping up the international plan to keep Iran from gaining nuclear weapons during his first term wasn’t the best idea.

That plan would have expired ten years after January 2016. In other words, already excited two months ago. It was a ten year plan, not a permanent plan.

That's still ten years of collaboration that could have built greater trust, led to a new agreement, or worst case provided enough evidence to take a more precise military action instead of bombing girls schools.

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Post by jghn »

JPKab wrote: post #105
jghn wrote: post #87

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I honestly thought you were talking about the US in your first paragraph.

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I did assume you were being hyperbolic when writing it, but yes. I would think that anyone looking at the state of the US right now may see "A totalitarian theocratic regime with long range ballistic missiles and nukes" as referring to it.

Totalitarian: hyperbolic, but the state of the executive branch over the last couple of decades is moving things in that direction. And clearly one could say this to make a point.

Theocratic: A slight stretch, but mostly yes.

Long range ballistic missiles: check

Nukes: check

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Post by lazide »

stvltvs wrote: post #212
derf_ wrote: post #112

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The TSA is responsible for more than just airports. As someone with family who works (worked) on port security in the maritime division, I would argue that Chesterton's Fence [0] applies here just as much as anywhere else. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_...

Many of us were alive when the TSA was created. It's not a mystery why it's there. (Mostly so politicians could say they did something to improve air travel security.)

Well, and it did do something - make the experience more consistently mediocre. Which is indeed something.

Previously, some airports were even more of a nightmare, and others were actually pleasant.

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Post by tombert »

intended wrote: post #180
tombert wrote: post #158

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I'm American, I didn't vote for Trump, so I don't feel like it's me dealing with adverse effects of my decisions. I did vote for Eric Adams in NYC, and while Eric Adams didn't advertise blatant corruption as part of his campaign, insofar that I can be blamed for his idiocy and bribes I will accept responsibility. I didn't vote for him the second time around and I feel foolish for voting for him the first time.

Democracy is a collective thing. Americans may strongly believe in individualism, but democracy is a collective responsibility. Its kind of a key design feature.

I guess? I mean I actively did not want this president. I actively voted for someone else. I tried to get people to not vote for him, though I doubt I was successful at that task. I suppose I do still pay my taxes and as such I'm still kind of funding this stupid unnecessary war, but I don't think it's entirely fair to judge me just because I live in a country where demagoguery appears to be in vogue.

Don't get me wrong, I know I'll deal with the consequences of other people's bad decisions here, that's just the price of democracy (or whatever the hell we have in the US), but I have a hard time accepting that it's my fault since I did what little I could to stop it.

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Post by nozzlegear »

what wrote: post #160
mcphage wrote: post #142

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> Basically, if Trump does a thing, they are against it, independent of the thing. Because on top of doing terrible things, the non-terrible things he does, he does incredibly badly . > There is no principle, just reactionary hatred. No, we’re all good little Bayesians around here. > If Biden had launched this war, none of these people would have had a problem with it. You’re really missing what’s going on here. The…

> The reason that people liked Biden is that he would not have launched this war. No, they liked him because he wasn’t Trump. And then they liked Trump more after having him.

I liked Biden because he's a genuinely good statesman, with decades of experience building bipartisan relationships (some admittedly bad, most good) both domestically and internationally. I didn't vote against Trump in 2020, I voted for Biden. And you can bet your sweet bippy that I'd do it again.

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Post by ajkjk »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #84
ajkjk wrote: post #71

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of course they were

Hey, tone doesn't translate well over text, they did not use anu tone tags, and I'm already terrible at reading tone in the best of times. Lol, can you really blame me for at least asking? Haha.

I dunno, it is the most obvious nazi reference I've ever seen. Personally I feel like tone does translate well over text, although it's proportional to the speakers' familiarity in how to do it whereas for verbal communication it comes through without effort.

Nothing wrong with asking of course. But maybe it's useful data that it was, in fact, obvious.

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Post by dotancohen »

donkeybeer wrote: post #217
dotancohen wrote: post #167

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If "no more wars in the middle east" means that America can not protect herself from a nation that regularly chants Death To America, then it really means "I'd rather see America as a society fail than stand up and defend myself".

Words are violence!!! Chanting for death to any country or religion is not violence dude. Until and actually Iran launches an attack on the USA. Iran didn't start this war, America and Israel did, while right in the middle of a pretend negotiation with them. I believe this is a strong sign that any time Israel or America are asking to negotiate with any country, they should prepare a full scale military action ready…

You are correct, words are not violence.

Arming the Huthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, and various Iraqi militias _is_ violence. When an aggressor with a history of violence says that they are coming for you next, it is prudent to believe them. Iran has been chanting Death To America and Death To Israel for decades. They have been attacking Israel and are developing technology to attack the United States. It is the United States' responsibility to ensure that the attack will not come.

Claiming that Iran is not violent is a lie. Promoting the idea that the US should wait to be attacked first is a nice way to allow Iran to arm properly and ensure US interests are sufficiently harmed.

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Post by disqard »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #213
ggm wrote: post #94

Would the current state of affairs qualify for cancelling the mid-terms? Is that overly cynical? Not in the US, not a US citizen or voter. My suspicion is the answer is "no, but it is not a given that a competent supreme court which looks likely to overturn the WH exists, if they say they want to do this"

The US does not have a legal avenue for cancelling elections regardless of circumstances without a constitutional amendment. It cannot happen under any conditions or circumstances. To do so would basically be an open announcement of dictatorship and - more than we have already - the end of rule of law and a likely civil war.

You are more confident about this than I am. Let's revisit this comment in December.

I truly hope you are proved right by history, but I'm concerned.

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