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Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by cardanome »

GordonS wrote: post #171
cardanome wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well some civilians have been injured when Iran attacked the hotels where US agents were stationed. Mostly due to them being foreign workers and well we all know how Dubai and the Saudis treat foreign workers. They were not allowed evacuate in time. Of course it will be hard to completely avoid civilian casualties in the long run, I fear but yeah Iran has been pretty measured. Iran's fight is with the US imperialists…

> some civilians have been injured when Iran attacked the hotels where US agents were stationed Surely the US are using civilians as human shields?

Yes, they are absolutely using civilians as human shields. Just like Israel has been doing for ages.

That is why they constantly lie about Hamas using human shields. Every accusation is a confession with these people.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #198
carbocation wrote: post #2

The article kind of downplays the most interesting elements. Not an expert, but to my limited understanding: * I think this is the longest-range use of a ballistic missile in anger, possibly ever? * This seems to reveal previously-unknown range of Iranian ballistic missiles and, if true, could touch basically all of Europe?

I think the article downplays the element that the attack probably achieved its goal which was not to actually hit something at Diego Garcia, but to show that thing 2500 miles from Iran are potentially targetable by Iran. That starts conversations like the one here and in other fora about whether or not Iran would limit themselves to military targets (Russia doesn't as an example) and if not how could Europe and its…

> to show that thing 2500 miles from Iran are potentially targetable

Iran has had IRBMs for some time. Demonstration doesn’t hurt. But demonstrating failure doesn’t particularly help either.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by nozzlegear »

spaghetdefects wrote: post #83
nozzlegear wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TFA: > It is understood the attempted air strike occurred before the UK agreed to let the US use British military bases to hit Iranian sites targeting shipping through the Strait of Hormuz.

That's incorrect: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/middleeast/us-b2-bombers-dieg...

I don't think the article you linked disagrees with what I've quoted from the BBC, does it? Aircraft being present at the airbase isn't the same as aircraft launching for an attack from the airbase.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

big-and-small wrote: post #214
ChuckMcM wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the article downplays the element that the attack probably achieved its goal which was not to actually hit something at Diego Garcia, but to show that thing 2500 miles from Iran are potentially targetable by Iran. That starts conversations like the one here and in other fora about whether or not Iran would limit themselves to military targets (Russia doesn't as an example) and if not how could Europe and its…

Except it would be very weird goal to achieve because it's only give more reasons to bomb whole country into oblivion and justify deployment of ground troops.

There is probably a hardline faction within Iran that still thinks it gains from further bombing and forced isolation.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

ignoramous wrote: post #207
magic_hamster wrote: post #203

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Anyone thinking they can talk their way into controlling Iran, a fundamentalist fanatic country with a very loud and visible doctrine literally calling to destroy the west, is delusional. The western "avoid conflict at all cost" approach is extremely detrimental.

> Anyone thinking they can talk their way into controlling Iran, a fundamentalist fanatic country with a very loud and visible doctrine literally calling to destroy the west, is delusional Yeah, what's it about peoples of the third world that they're always fanatical, that they're always out to destroy the first world... https://theconversation.com/orientalism-edward-saids-groundb... / https://archive.vn/HoEk5

Once you simply kill all the leaders, there is no one left to negotiate with.

Iran is also oddly moderate from the region (beyond the whole death to America thing).

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

big-and-small wrote: post #214
ChuckMcM wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the article downplays the element that the attack probably achieved its goal which was not to actually hit something at Diego Garcia, but to show that thing 2500 miles from Iran are potentially targetable by Iran. That starts conversations like the one here and in other fora about whether or not Iran would limit themselves to military targets (Russia doesn't as an example) and if not how could Europe and its…

Except it would be very weird goal to achieve because it's only give more reasons to bomb whole country into oblivion and justify deployment of ground troops.

Not really. Because no one in Europe wants to bomb Iran into oblivion, if for no other reason but the fact that the Europeans (and Turkey) would face another massive refugee crisis.

The only people wanting to continue this war are the U.S. and Israel (and maybe Saudi Arabia?) and even Trump is clearly looking for an off ramp.

This is most likely a way for Iran to tell Europe to do what they can to end this otherwise they will drag Europe into this mess as well.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by nozzlegear »

GordonS wrote: post #181
nozzlegear wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TFA: > It is understood the attempted air strike occurred before the UK agreed to let the US use British military bases to hit Iranian sites targeting shipping through the Strait of Hormuz.

Except that Starmer was lying - there have been photos of bombs being loaded onto US bombers going around for at least several days now.

What photos? And what reason would Starmer have to lie about it?

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

cardanome wrote: post #104
gizajob wrote: post #72

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Or maybe you could ask yourself why people chant this. Maybe people don't fancy your mass murder of their Palestinian brothers and sisters. Maybe Iran didn't appreciate the US supporting Saddam Hussein to fight a war against Iran where he used chemical weapons against the population. The might be a reason the whole region hates Israel and the US. Just saying.

Or maybe you could ask yourself why most of the rest of the region allows the US to have military bases on their soil, and why they are so concerned about protecting themselves against Iran.

The "whole region" fears Iran more than they hate the US, judged by their behavior.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

einszwei wrote: post #109
cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

Your comment made me realise that while Iran has attacked a dozen countries, they have yet to attack a school or a hospital. Not condoning anyone but shows the priority of both sides.

> they have yet to attack a school or a hospital

Most of their ordinance has been intercepted. And a good fraction was unguided enough that it would have hit a school or hospital.

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