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Sorry, but childrens' lack of respect was lamented in Antiquity. I don't see that changing in the next 5 years if it hasn't changed in the last 2000.
As a known exception, not as a rule. Disrespect toward supposed authority figures as a default is a very modern concept.
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The society that supports phoneless children no longer exists. It stopped sometime in the 2010s. Taking away phones doesn't bring that infrastructure back, it culminates in something new and worse. One example is the tension between childrens' independence and roaming and the now lack of payphones. Taking away a cell phone doesn't bring back payphones. It either reduces a child's independence or puts them in more dan…
Who said take phones away? No, teach them some motherfucking respect , so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they should pocket or bag it.
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As a known exception, not as a rule. Disrespect toward supposed authority figures as a default is a very modern concept.
Want to back that up? Because every source I have for the last 2000 years complains it's a new phenomenon.
Just reads like you’re agreeing with me, now.
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Who said take phones away? No, teach them some motherfucking respect , so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they should pocket or bag it.
Teaching them respect sounds a lot harder than just confiscating their phones.
that’s why the pendulum has swung as far as it, in the direction it has!
That doesn’t make it the right call, necessarily legal in every jurisdiction, or even moral (in certain edge cases).
Calling back to my earlier comment: handing your kid an iPad for all of their free time is easy, too!
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This is ridiculous. The school will notify you if the student is not at school, or the teachers will eventually (or their grades/missing assignments). Also you don't need to track your kids to enable school time mode, if you want to lock down their phone during school. What are you going to do when they go to college? Track them? Monitor them? Make sure they go to classes? At some point, you just have to trust your k…
I don't agree with tracking kids but you're being silly. I ditched in high school and my parents didn't find out. This is true for plenty of people. Sure, it was 20 years ago but we had cellphones too. It's not like we were in the dark ages and schools couldn't call
Where I live we get a phone call the same day if our kids miss a class without prior notice.
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Could you clarify your position? Just reads like you’re agreeing with me, now.
No, I disagree.
you’re saying the complaint is that in that era it was also thought of as a new phenomenon.
That makes some sense - it’s been a declining slope, with a huge drop-off point.
But was there also evidence of less-competent people coming out of the end of the machine that’s supposed to produce people to keep the civilization functional?
Probably happened at one time or another - but it was probably also considered a problem……
My original “as a default” verbiage is doing a lot of heavy lifting, but is there for a reason.
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That 'caveat' is the actual science. So it's a pretty big deal.
We don't actually need "actual science" to conclude that phones in classrooms are likely causing problems. We can observe them in action causing problems and take actions even if the peer reviewed double blind study hasn't been done
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We don't actually need "actual science" to conclude that phones in classrooms are likely causing problems. We can observe them in action causing problems and take actions even if the peer reviewed double blind study hasn't been done
Actually, we do. That's kind of the entire point of science.
The point of science is to provide better information for us to make decisions with, not to prevent us from making decisions at all until it's done
If we waited for science to settle and provide the best information possible, we would never get anything done
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I don't agree with tracking kids but you're being silly. I ditched in high school and my parents didn't find out. This is true for plenty of people. Sure, it was 20 years ago but we had cellphones too. It's not like we were in the dark ages and schools couldn't call
Your high school didn't call your parents to tell you you missed a class? Where I live we get a phone call the same day if our kids miss a class without prior notice.
Though they started to my senior year. You'd get detention or even suspension if you did it too much. It was especially problematic with us in the AP/IB programs. My older sibling's class (AP/IB) ditched so much it was messing with the state attendance records.
But maybe they didn't call because we were in the advanced programs. The people ditching the most were the ones getting good grades. The school still has a pretty good ranking in California (top 20%).
And frankly, if they called... just delete it off the answering machine before your parents got home.
Or the other thing, get your elder sibling to call you out. Or call in pretending to be the parent or elder sibling. People did that all the time. It's not like the school knows your parents' voice. And well, now that's easy to fake, right?