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Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by MrSkelter »

Illniyar wrote: post #124
Night_Thastus wrote: post #96

Something else scroll-related I personally hate: Sticky 'headers' that disappear when you scroll down, and appear when you scroll up. I hate them so much. It hurts my brain to see the stupid thing appear and disappear constantly if I scroll around a page. The worst part is you can't even zap them out of the way with something like uBlock, because then there's no header even when you're at the top of the page. >:( EDI…

This is literally the best ux pattern you can have. It is intuitive - user immediately discovers it when performing the obvious action, it increases the user experience (more text to read) without any real downside. It is the first thing I suggest to anyone when I see someone didn't implement it. I've never heard a complaint about it until now.

You know what tells people there’s more to read? The fact the sentences are cut and the piece hasn’t concluded.

As for “no overhead” what about all the code needed to implement this?

Pages of text should be minimally styled for maximum efficiency.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by knorker »

slopinthebag wrote: post #116
knorker wrote: post #25

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> when it's done well It's always awful. This site is exagerated in degree, but in kind it's merely on the scale of awful. Computers should not waste my time. Even if eyes are 10ms faster than the awful fade, if a million people see it, that's almost three hours of human life down the drain. And when scrolling fast, or far, it's not uncommon to have it waste a second of human time. A million of those is 38 human work…

> million of those is 38 human working days, just flushed down the toilet, because someone wanted "pleasant". This is the wrong conclusion. The amount of work that can be accomplished summing one second from 38 million people is approximately zero - much different from stealing 1 day from 38 people or 1 hour from 912.

> The amount of work that can be accomplished summing one second from 38 million people is approximately zero

First of all, I said one million people, not 38 million people.

But second (no pun intended), this waste of human life doesn't just aggregate across people, but also for multiple offenders one any one particular victim.

A second on this website, a second on that site, a 10 second "loading" animation screen on a blog. It adds up. It adds up to all individual users actually wasting their life and productivity.

Your implication that it's fine to willfully waste a second from a million people is either not understanding what "a million people" means, or a borderline psychopathic disregard for other people.

You can also throw your trash on the ground, because really, is the city measurably worse off just because of you throwing just two candy wrappers in the park once a day? If someone accidentally drops trash, or makes a slow website because they don't have skill or time to make it faster, then that's a completely different matter.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by mghackerlady »

MoonWalk wrote: post #199
mghackerlady wrote: post #91

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I actually think modern windows looks nice. It isn't nearly as good as the classic 9x look, but fluent obviously is a response to the visual shitshow that was 10

It's just a bunch of text and maybe some horizontal lines. It manages to take "flat" design and make it even worse. The list of regressions is seemingly endless. Where are the menus? Oh... scattered all over each application's UI, behind multiple hamburger buttons. What application does this window belong to? Who knows, since the title bar is missing. And WTF is up with the abandonment of the File dialog? Now, every…

Oh yeah the UX is absolute doodoo but I think the design system itself looks nice

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by Telaneo »

arcfour wrote: post #135
knorker wrote: post #77

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I mean, like the other commenter I would just close the page instead of enduring it. But yes, in fact if this page succeeds then it's wasting human life on things as productive as spam phone calls. People have solved the latter by simply not answering for unknown numbers. Not sure what you mean by "fatalistic". To the point where I'm not sure that's the word you mean. It's fatalistic as in fate. Maybe you mean morbid…

They didn't go out of their way to make your life worse. They went out of their way to design something they thought you would like, but you didn't like it.

> They didn't go out of their way to make your life worse.

Most people don't, and yet they still make our lives worse.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by Telaneo »

delbronski wrote: post #125

Why do web animations get so much hate with the HN crowd? I think a website is similar to a painting. Some will make you dizzy by just looking at them, and others will be a minimalist dream. Don’t hate me HN, but I say keep messing with the scroll bar, keep making annoying blinking banners, have your way with scroll fade. Don’t listen to these web dev veterans, they are just like snobby movie critics!

Most websites are not a piece of art made only for its own sake an beauty (or lack thereof). The unstated intention of most websites is to transfer information to the reader. Making the reader dizzy, or hiding some of that information behind animations or stupid headers does not aid information transfer.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by lstodd »

fainpul wrote: post #105
ayhanfuat wrote: post #23

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It is partly to blame, yes. This is from Claude’s official frontend skill: “Motion: Use animations for effects and micro-interactions. Prioritize CSS-only solutions for HTML. Use Motion library for React when available. Focus on high-impact moments: one well-orchestrated page load with staggered reveals (animation-delay) creates more delight than scattered micro-interactions. Use scroll-triggering and hover states th…

> creates more delight ARE YOU NOT DELIGHTED?

Beatings will continue until morale improves.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by SilasX »

pwdisswordfishy wrote: post #212
SilasX wrote: post #139

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This. It's fundamentally a social problem. The moment that reader mode becomes the default, they'll start gradually extending it with "useful" additions until it's just as bloated and painful again, and then we'll have some rebrand of the concept of reader mode, and the cycle starts anew. "Why can't we have a functional version of the site for the blind, and the normal one for everyone else?" 'We have that! It's call…

Presumably, if reader mode is to never allow any website-programmable interactivity ever (as I would expect), it would be much harder to do, though.

Sure, but that's a big if: "Oh, just this one small thing for interactivity would be nice ... and this other thing ..." just like with how the early web expanded functionality.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by hedora »

iamtedd wrote: post #169
hedora wrote: post #141

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s/micro intentions/micro aggressions/

Replying to the wrong person and trying to replace a phrase that wasn't used. Bravo, you take the cake for low effort post.

I was replying to ggp. I did misread micro-interactions, but my point still stands.

“Eloquence is the essential thing in a speech, not information.”

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by MoonWalk »

bigyabai wrote: post #98
MoonWalk wrote: post #71

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"should have to enable "Clown Mode" or something." Bwahahaha, +1! This reminds me of calling Windows XP's default motif "Fisher-Price" mode. Which, sadly, looks professional and efficient compared to Windows (and, increasingly, the Mac) today.

Big Sur made me take back every Fischer Price comment I ever made about Windows XP. I didn't think it was possible to make a more childish UI than Aqua, but here we are.

Hey, at least we're finally spared the infantile "MY this" and "MY that" nonsense that dominated the early 2000s.
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