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Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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Post by HerbManic »

autoexec wrote: post #51

> Whether PC users, our core readership, will be interested in actually emulating Xbox One, looks unlikely. The 2013 system’s game library is largely overlapped in better quality on the PC platform. And this explains why it's stayed unhacked so long. There was very little incentive to hack the system when the games are all playable on a PC. Pirates, cheaters, archivists, and hackers could just go there. Microsoft's b…

Pretty much, if you provide what people want elsewhere you will reduce the demand to crack the original system.

One of the reasons the Wii U was slow to be hacked was because Android TV boxes had come along plus things like Ouya/Nvidia shield, and it basically took away a lot of demand for a console turned into TV unit to use hacked software.

It still happened but not so quiclkly. Not like the original Wii which didnt really have much similar to it at the time.

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Post by Nursie »

philistine wrote: post #183
Keyframe wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux on playstation was a play by Sony not to have customs like on a toy but as a more favorable computer merchandise. They didn't care.

Linux on Playstation was the final hubris of Ken Kutaragi to have his insane CPU design take over computing. Kutaragi envisaged the PS3 becoming a standard hardware platform similar to the PC but fully controlled by Sony. That was their goal with the PS3, they said so themselves time and time again. The second Kutaragi was removed from power over at Playstation, they closed the Other OS function. It was the last time…

> fully controlled by Sony.

And Toshiba and IBM, it was a three-way collab. There was even a second-generation Cell (PowerXCell 8i) released in IBM Q Series blade-servers.

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Post by ornornor »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #192
rustyhancock wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their defense, they clamped down following lobbying (and pressure) from Nintendo IIRC. Part of me also thinks that Microsoft were so forward with offering what was basically a test kit because they were confident in their security.

Why Nintendo? Far as I know, they've never released anything on an xbox console.

Nintendo is notoriouslg very aggressive with their IP. I bet they weren’t happy you could emulate a switch or something.

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Post by wodenokoto »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #192
rustyhancock wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their defense, they clamped down following lobbying (and pressure) from Nintendo IIRC. Part of me also thinks that Microsoft were so forward with offering what was basically a test kit because they were confident in their security.

Why Nintendo? Far as I know, they've never released anything on an xbox console.

No, and theyd like to keep their games off of any Xbox.

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Post by layoric »

giobox wrote: post #72
autoexec wrote: post #51

> Whether PC users, our core readership, will be interested in actually emulating Xbox One, looks unlikely. The 2013 system’s game library is largely overlapped in better quality on the PC platform. And this explains why it's stayed unhacked so long. There was very little incentive to hack the system when the games are all playable on a PC. Pirates, cheaters, archivists, and hackers could just go there. Microsoft's b…

The other major incentive for hacking the console Microsoft removed was for the first time on a modern mainstream home console to allow side loading of homebrew code/emulators etc. The console supported a developer mode that allowed side loading of third party applications, so folks could get emulators and other traditionally "banned" content on the console through an officially supported route. There's a great prese…

"side loading", I know this term is the one used but I think should be pushed back against with just using the standard "installing"/"install". It makes the control point clearer and (should be) unsettling when you can't "install" software on hardware you own.

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Post by Keyframe »

Nursie wrote: post #222
philistine wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux on Playstation was the final hubris of Ken Kutaragi to have his insane CPU design take over computing. Kutaragi envisaged the PS3 becoming a standard hardware platform similar to the PC but fully controlled by Sony. That was their goal with the PS3, they said so themselves time and time again. The second Kutaragi was removed from power over at Playstation, they closed the Other OS function. It was the last time…

> fully controlled by Sony. And Toshiba and IBM, it was a three-way collab. There was even a second-generation Cell (PowerXCell 8i) released in IBM Q Series blade-servers.

Yeah. pretty much PowerPC part two. PowerPC the business move, like the oroginal one.

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Post by pjmlp »

philistine wrote: post #184
pjmlp wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be coming as per GDC news, lets see.

They're not going to bring over Xbox 360 emulation. This thing is dependent on the specific CPU and GPU of the Xbox One and Series consoles. They've lost their appetite for emulation and have reassigned the whole team dedicated to it.

They announced a new effort at GDC.

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Post by pjmlp »

monocasa wrote: post #186
pjmlp wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, if we disregard that PS2 Linux came almost two years later, was only sold via Internet, added an extra 500 euros on top, although it got discounted into 300 euros at the end of PS2 lifetime. I own one such kit.

That doesn't factor into it, because the tariffs, bans, etc they were trying to circumvent weren't dependent on the software shipping with the device in that case, nor the separate price of the software, nor were they even necessarily primarily targeting Europe. Each of these schemes had different sets of regulatory checkboxes they were trying to tick, and so had very different end products.

Sure as you wish, I was a PlayStation fanboy back then, since Yaroze, and surely remember YA BASIC for PS2 and Other OS for PS 3, being the only ones.

Yaroze and PS2 Linux never had anything to do with tariffs.

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Post by Peanuts99 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #170
natas wrote: post #128

I wonder... if microsoft can't secure a gaming console which they have full control on, from top to bottom, how do they secure "Azure Government"?

I don't believe servers actually have this level of hardware protection to be honest. Physical protection, as someone else pointed out, on the other hand. If hacking the xbox goes wrong, the hacker will short out the console. If hacking Azure goes wrong, the hacker will get shot.

Azures physical servers actually use a similar technology apparently. They both have some kind of proprietary HSM module that stores keys on the device and is resistant to tampering. I've read that Azure servers actually break this protection when removed from the rack so the server is made entirely useless if it's removed.
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