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Bill C-22, the Lawful Access Act: Dangerous backdoor surveillance risks remain

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Post by blell »

dijit wrote: post #220
foldr wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even leaving aside the unsavory views of the party you mention, it’s quite misleading (to readers who don’t follow UK politics) to suggest that there’s any hope of it winning an election.

This defeatist attitude causes the situation we’re in. Voting against someone rather than for someone is a sure-fire way to get some of the worst politicians in power as possible, they only need to be marginally less bad than the other candidate after all. Restore Britain is a populist joke btw. Greens might be my side of the fence but they’re also populist. Hard to get air time as a small party without some form of…

Have you realised those in power right now are against you? And it seems to work very well for them.

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Post by dijit »

Canada wrote: post #213

There isn't the political will to remove the organized criminals who have been running Canada for decades, since the 1960s if not longer. Most people don't see how dire the circumstances are and even if they feel the country is on the wrong path they continue to believe that voting for the other guy can fix it. Same for Australia and New Zealand. There is some hope in the British Isles. To anyone reading this who can…

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Post by HerbManic »

nickvec wrote: post #127
jdlyga wrote: post #121

The endgame is clear. Mass surveillance combined with AI agents. Would almost be like having a personal government spy watching each individual person.

Yep. Everyone can have their own “AI FBI agent” following their every move.

Just have to worry about the AI hallucinations.

Re: Bill C-22, the Lawful Access Act: Dangerous backdoor surveillance risks remain

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Post by dijit »

blell wrote: post #221
dijit wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This defeatist attitude causes the situation we’re in. Voting against someone rather than for someone is a sure-fire way to get some of the worst politicians in power as possible, they only need to be marginally less bad than the other candidate after all. Restore Britain is a populist joke btw. Greens might be my side of the fence but they’re also populist. Hard to get air time as a small party without some form of…

Have you realised those in power right now are against you? And it seems to work very well for them.

No, I live in Sweden where coalition governments are pretty common and people tend to vote for the party they agree with.

Same is true in the EU elections, since their system is more democratic than the UK one.

I’m intimately familiar with the shortcomings of the election system in the UK as I am British, but I’ve experienced other formulations and I can see that this line of thinking enables the abuse you claim to be dispelling by allowing it to continue..?

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Post by AJRF »

Canada wrote: post #213

There isn't the political will to remove the organized criminals who have been running Canada for decades, since the 1960s if not longer. Most people don't see how dire the circumstances are and even if they feel the country is on the wrong path they continue to believe that voting for the other guy can fix it. Same for Australia and New Zealand. There is some hope in the British Isles. To anyone reading this who can…

Look to America to see what would happen to civil liberty in the pursuit of mass deportations. Discounting many things from the conversation - on the topic of this thread; Restore sounds like they'd be the single worst party to vote for if you were against mass surveillance.

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Post by ben_w »

foldr wrote: post #218
Canada wrote: post #213

There isn't the political will to remove the organized criminals who have been running Canada for decades, since the 1960s if not longer. Most people don't see how dire the circumstances are and even if they feel the country is on the wrong path they continue to believe that voting for the other guy can fix it. Same for Australia and New Zealand. There is some hope in the British Isles. To anyone reading this who can…

Even leaving aside the unsavory views of the party you mention, it’s quite misleading (to readers who don’t follow UK politics) to suggest that there’s any hope of it winning an election.

> it’s quite misleading (to readers who don’t follow UK politics) to suggest that there’s any hope of it winning an election.

I wish.

Brexit was pretty unthinkable even just a few years before the referendum. And now… well, toss-up between the top 5(!) parties, because somehow the Greens and Lib Dems are polling at similar levels to Conservative and Labour, all a bit behind Reform who didn't exist a few years back.

And when bad times come, insular nationalism (both in the sense of xenophobia and autarky) poll well.

The world-wide bad-times storm is getting super-charged right now, though I can't tell how much this is malice vs. incompetence from the White House.

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Post by callamdelaney »

r2vcap wrote: post #142

It feels like many democratic leaders are starting to think the CCP model—mass surveillance of citizens—is the right direction, with growing demands for chat control, facial verification, age verification, and more. Fxxk any politician who thinks they are above the citizens in a democracy.

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Re: Bill C-22, the Lawful Access Act: Dangerous backdoor surveillance risks remain

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Post by foldr »

ben_w wrote: post #226
foldr wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even leaving aside the unsavory views of the party you mention, it’s quite misleading (to readers who don’t follow UK politics) to suggest that there’s any hope of it winning an election.

> it’s quite misleading (to readers who don’t follow UK politics) to suggest that there’s any hope of it winning an election. I wish. Brexit was pretty unthinkable even just a few years before the referendum. And now… well, toss-up between the top 5(!) parties, because somehow the Greens and Lib Dems are polling at similar levels to Conservative and Labour, all a bit behind Reform who didn't exist a few years back. A…

You can’t seriously be suggesting that a political party that most Brits haven’t even heard of has any chance of winning the next election.

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Post by worldsayshi »

augment_me wrote: post #195
r2vcap wrote: post #142

It feels like many democratic leaders are starting to think the CCP model—mass surveillance of citizens—is the right direction, with growing demands for chat control, facial verification, age verification, and more. Fxxk any politician who thinks they are above the citizens in a democracy.

I believe that's it's sadly a necessity for control of the population when you have other superpowers employing this. If you are Europe, and you have democratic elections, you have an informational power asymmetry towards the states that have mass surveillance and control. You are (as we saw last year with the Romanian election that was swung to 60% in 2 weeks over TikTok) susceptible towards influence of other super…

Thank you. Haven't seen this problem framed in quite this way before. I find the point quite persuasive.

But, I don't understand how this step could possibly work:

> start policing on what opinions those people are allowed to have and what measures to take to them

A much more effective counter to this would be to rebalance the information asymmetry by giving citizens the tools to coordinate against state sponsored influence.

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