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Re: Big data on the cheapest MacBook

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Post by chocochunks »

prmph wrote: post #94
ajross wrote: post #82

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> I’ve been tempted to buy one and do “real dev work” on it just to show people it’s not this handicapped little machine. But... you can do the same exercise with a $350 windows thing. Everyone knows you can do "real dev work" on it, because "real dev work" isn't a performance case anymore, hasn't been for like a decade now, and anyone who says otherwise is just a snob wanting an excuse to expense a $4k designer fash…

No, you can't do real work on a $350 windows machine. No way such a setup is suitable for anything beyond browsing a tab or two and connecting to servers using SSH. And, the whole shittiness of the experience will even distract you attempting real work: the horrible touchpad, the bad screen, the forced windows updates when you trying to start the machine to do something urgent, ads in Windows, the lack of proper prog…

Of course you can. You can do real work on an $80 Amazon Fire. Yes, some things will be potentially impossible or frustrating but that's also true of the MacBook Neo, just a bit higher of a bar. A lot of this also depends on your definition of "real work".

$350 USD can get you a decent laptop with a SSD, 16GB RAM and something like an Intel N100 or N95. And they pretty comparable to a decent Intel Skylake CPU which are still pretty usable.

https://www.amazon.com/NIAKUN-Computer-Processor-Keyboard-Fi...

https://www.amazon.com/AOC-Computer-Processor-Laptops-Window...

Yes, the Neo has a faster CPU but it also has less RAM and less storage and costs more and has less ports. Besides ray traced games what can the Neo do that the others can't? They'll take longer but they'll get there.

And if you're willing to go used? That $350 goes a lot further.

Re: Big data on the cheapest MacBook

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Post by ghaff »

reaperducer wrote: post #207
ghaff wrote: post #158

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I use a 2015 MacBook Pro all the time--like right now. It does have 16GB of memory. It's what sits on my dining room table where I do most of my writing/browsing and which I take for travel. I do have an Apple Silicon MacBook Pro in my office but my downstairs "office" is a lot lighter and airier.

I use a 2015 MacBook Pro all the time--like right now. I have a 2010 MacBook Air that I still use when traveling. The battery is completely shot, but it works fine when plugged in. And if I'm on the road, I don't use my computer until I get to the hotel anyway. And even then, it's just fine for e-mail, browsing, and even Photoshop.

I think this one had a battery replacement because it was bulging. But it's definitely in the class of devices that, if it gets swiped or lost, is basically in the category as opposed to my newer one.

Am probably giving newish iPad and magnetic keyboard a spin on my next trip mostly to see how it goes.

Re: Big data on the cheapest MacBook

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Post by ayewo »

oldandboring wrote: post #217
rob wrote: post #62

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It's starting to show its age, but I've been using a 2019 MacBook Pro with the Intel chip and 16GB of memory. Still handles multiple terminal sessions with Claude Code and Codex simultaneously, building in Xcode, running Docker in the background, etc. (Maybe the fans sometimes sound like they're a jet engine taking off…) Finally just put an order in for a new 16" MBP M5 Max with 48GB memory only because it looks like…

Former employee of mine had the 2019 MBP as well. After a few years he had the same problem with the fans -- if you haven't already, pop it open and clean the fans and vents. You'll probably need a little brush along with compressed air. Lots of stuff comes up on Google. Great machine btw. Good luck!

Thanks for this tip! The fans of mine have been spinning up regularly, especially noticeable when I upgraded to Tahoe a few days ago.

Re: Big data on the cheapest MacBook

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Post by madaxe_again »

embedding-shape wrote: post #138
Robdel12 wrote: post #37

I’ve been tempted to buy one and do “real dev work” on it just to show people it’s not this handicapped little machine. I built multiple iOS apps and went through two start up acquisitions with my M1 MBA as my primary computer, as a developer. And the neo is better than the M1 MBA. I edited my 30-45 min long 4k race videos in FCP on that air just fine.

> I built multiple iOS apps and went through two start up acquisitions with my M1 MBA as my primary computer, as a developer. And the neo is better than the M1 MBA. I edited my 30-45 min long 4k race videos in FCP on that air just fine. Before I was a professional software developer, I used a scrawny second-hand laptop with a Norwegian keyboard (I'm not Norwegian) because that was what I could afford: https://i.imgur…

I started my business back in 2006 with an ancient 306 laptop - it was practically free, it ran VIM just fine, and that was all I needed it to do to crank out PHP until the cows came home.

Re: Big data on the cheapest MacBook

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Post by harrisi »

Robdel12 wrote: post #37

I’ve been tempted to buy one and do “real dev work” on it just to show people it’s not this handicapped little machine. I built multiple iOS apps and went through two start up acquisitions with my M1 MBA as my primary computer, as a developer. And the neo is better than the M1 MBA. I edited my 30-45 min long 4k race videos in FCP on that air just fine.

I wrote a fix for node that got upstreamed a few years ago on a Lenovo Thinkpad 3 Chromebook. I'm actually commenting from it now. It's not a workhorse by any means, but for $99, it's not bad. A 1.1GHz Celeron processor with 4GB of memory is able to compile projects like node, python, Erlang, etc. without much hassle. It just takes a lunch break :)

Any modern Mac is more than capable. I had the baseline M1 Macbook Air that I did work on as well, just to see how that fared. Much better than this machine - 10x the price, but more than 10x the performance. This one is great as a "I don't mind if I break it or lose it" device.

Re: Big data on the cheapest MacBook

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Post by AlotOfReading »

ElectricalUnion wrote: post #215
__mharrison__ wrote: post #73

When I teach, I use "big data" for data that won't fit in a single machine. "Small data" fits on a single machine in memory and medium data on disk. Having said that duckDB is awesome. I recently ported a 20 year old Python app to modern Python. I made the backend swappable, polars or duckdb. Got a 40-80x speed improvement. Took 2 days.

The funny thing is that those days you can fit 64 TB of DDR5 in a single physical system (IBM Power Server), so almost all non data-lake-class data is "Small data".

And a single machine can hold petabytes of disk for medium scale. There aren't many datasets exceeding that outside fundamental physics.

Re: Big data on the cheapest MacBook

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Post by jorvi »

Robdel12 wrote: post #37

I’ve been tempted to buy one and do “real dev work” on it just to show people it’s not this handicapped little machine. I built multiple iOS apps and went through two start up acquisitions with my M1 MBA as my primary computer, as a developer. And the neo is better than the M1 MBA. I edited my 30-45 min long 4k race videos in FCP on that air just fine.

People usually forget 8GB isn't 8GB. Memory compression means you can store ~2x (lz4) to 3x (zstd) as much data in memory as ordinarily. And in the worst case, reading swap from disk (writes don't matter as they can be predicted) is so much faster with NVMe SSDs.

The worst corner they cut is no keyboard backlighting. That saves them what, $1 BoM per MacBook Neo? Especially because now they have to put up an entire new keyboard production line instead of just piggybacking off of the Air keyboard production line.

Re: Big data on the cheapest MacBook

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Post by mikestew »

tjoff wrote: post #192
Aurornis wrote: post #80

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I have an older 8GB MacBook Air. This is false. I routinely have Slack, Chrome, iTerm, Visual Studio Code, and more open on it. It’s fine. Those apps don’t need every single byte of memory you see in Activity Monitor to be active in RAM all of the time. The OS swaps out unused parts to the very fast SSD. If you push it so far that active pages are constantly being swapped out as apps compete then you start to notice,…

It really isn't. It is a capable machine but modern software has made it a lemon. And that is the only reason apple sells it. So that whoever buys it needs to buy another one prematurely, generating another sale. Everything from apple to modern software is rotten to its core.

It really isn't.

…in reply to someone who just said their experience is fine, and included details. If you just want to rant about Apple, have at it, but you’re going to have to do better than “nuh, uh” if you want to be convincing.

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