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Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by fc417fc802 »

raven12345 wrote: post #177
linkregister wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At no point have any of your arguers said they approve of the crimes perpetrated by the United States government. You repeatedly talk past them while only tangentially addressing their points. Your comments assume bad faith and make liberal use of pejoratives. My recommendation is to self-reflect.

He was simply saying that the same actions China takes are repeatedly brought up, while those the US takes are forgotten after a while.

He threw out a bunch of non sequiturs and failed to engage with what was actually said.

On what basis do you claim that US wrongdoing is forgotten? If you bring it up it's acknowledged and talked about. Debating it is within the realm of social acceptability. You can look it up on Wikipedia. Our AI models will happily discuss it with you.

Meanwhile the Chinese equivalent gets you the sorts of disingenuous interactions that can be seen here and domestically much of the information appears to be censored.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by pezezin »

remarkEon wrote: post #181
possibleworlds wrote: post #104

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> If the past year has taught us anything, it’s that the US can’t really be seen as the “good guys” in such a simple way. More like the past 200 years. America have never been the "good guys", and it is only Americans who seem to think they ever were.

If only Americans think we're the good guys, then why does everyone want to live here?

Not everybody wants to live there; heck, I know plenty of Americans that after living abroad in Europe and Japan don't want to go back.

And before you say that the US gets a bazillion immigrants per year, Europe gets many more.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by remarkEon »

pezezin wrote: post #223
remarkEon wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only Americans think we're the good guys, then why does everyone want to live here?

Not everybody wants to live there; heck, I know plenty of Americans that after living abroad in Europe and Japan don't want to go back. And before you say that the US gets a bazillion immigrants per year, Europe gets many more.

Well, if that was true then why does everyone get really mad when we try to restrict who gets to come to the United States?

I think, as a formative experience, most Americans should go through the "wow Europe is great (if you go to the right spots)" if only to understand the history and where America came from, and also the "awakening" that happens when one visits Japan. Their trains really do run on time!

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by pezezin »

remarkEon wrote: post #224
pezezin wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everybody wants to live there; heck, I know plenty of Americans that after living abroad in Europe and Japan don't want to go back. And before you say that the US gets a bazillion immigrants per year, Europe gets many more.

Well, if that was true then why does everyone get really mad when we try to restrict who gets to come to the United States? I think, as a formative experience, most Americans should go through the "wow Europe is great (if you go to the right spots)" if only to understand the history and where America came from, and also the "awakening" that happens when one visits Japan. Their trains really do run on time!

Don't ask me, I don't know of anybody who wants to move to the US.

What people get mad about is

1) The hypocrisy of a country created by immigrants, people obsessed with their "heritage" and calling themselves $country-American even when they have zero relation to said $country, now hating immigrants so much.

2) The brutality of the TSA and ICE against anybody they don't like. Do I really need to expand this point?

3) The arrogance of assuming that we all want to move there. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are not the centre of the world.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by HocusLocus »

This is accompanied by a 'shocked Pikachu face' when people discover that other countries' militarizes have deployed low bidder AI without guardrails. The illusion of moral superiority is the best tool of paralysis in warfare.

At least the AI push has saved the human race from an uncomfortable obsession with cryptocurrency.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by keybored »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #220
keybored wrote: post #217

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Yeah you talk about how you stumble into wars. Then you do it again. Then eventually it gets relegated to bah , but who is perfect. (Let me tell you who is not perfect: it’s China) This is a concept that a twelve-year-old has enough ego formation to understand. Not so for the shared nationalistic consciousness.

Your responses seem politically charged and not in good faith. You've failed to actually engage with what the person you're responding to wrote several times now. What is your goal here?

> Your responses seem politically charged

We are talking about China and the US.

> and not in good faith.

I am playing with open cards. No hidden agendas.

> You've failed to actually engage with what the person you're responding to wrote several times now.

We disagree on the very premises. That leads to one person saying something then the other one dismissing it then the first person dismissing what the second person says in turn. Completely normal.

> What is your goal here?

To bemoan people glorifying America as it invades countries and causes problems for the whole world.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by remarkEon »

pezezin wrote: post #225
remarkEon wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if that was true then why does everyone get really mad when we try to restrict who gets to come to the United States? I think, as a formative experience, most Americans should go through the "wow Europe is great (if you go to the right spots)" if only to understand the history and where America came from, and also the "awakening" that happens when one visits Japan. Their trains really do run on time!

Don't ask me, I don't know of anybody who wants to move to the US. What people get mad about is 1) The hypocrisy of a country created by immigrants, people obsessed with their "heritage" and calling themselves $country-American even when they have zero relation to said $country, now hating immigrants so much. 2) The brutality of the TSA and ICE against anybody they don't like. Do I really need to expand this point? 3…

>but you are not the centre of the world.

11 CVNs and 6 flags says differently.

Re: I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by keybored »

linkregister wrote: post #173
keybored wrote: post #165

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It’s the usual feigned comparison. America is a republic and if you don’t agree well, go to Reddit and argue about it; meanwhile China is just a dictatorship. American “crimes“ are dismissed with some rhetorical non-response like “hmmph, no one claimed we are perfect”, or immediately contrasted with some arbitrary Chinese “crime”, then dropped just as fast; even someone bringing up contemporary killing of Iranian sch…

At no point have any of your arguers said they approve of the crimes perpetrated by the United States government. You repeatedly talk past them while only tangentially addressing their points. Your comments assume bad faith and make liberal use of pejoratives. My recommendation is to self-reflect.

Pejoratives?
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