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Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Post by thefounder »

rewgs wrote: post #201
827a wrote: post #152

IMO its more nuanced. They're likely in production ramp-up of the M5 Ultra Mac Studio, for release in the next ~3 months; they have pre-purchased bins of memory from the supply-constrained major memory supplies; and they need as much as they can get because they want to push an M5 Ultra config to 768gb to continue the "you can run local models" story that the M5 Max Macbook Pro started telling last week. Going beyond…

My theory is that they're going to release a new Mac Pro that's about half the size of the current one. Enough space for some PCIe slots, but otherwise smaller given the enormous amount of wasted space in that thing since moving from Intel to Apple Silicon. Guessing the rack-mount model, should they continue selling it, will be 3 or 4u instead of 5u. I know everyone thinks they're going to just kill it, but I don't s…

Why people buy the Studio with the high ram config is actually the unified memory. This is unique to Apple. I'm not sure what Mac Pro would do with PCIe cards . It would be useless for AI because what you want is unified memory that can be used by the GPU/AI not just ram.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Post by zozbot234 »

snczl wrote: post #217
Culonavirus wrote: post #44

It's not a shortage, it's a cartel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVzeHTlWIDY

The story here is about what lesson was learned by the DRAM cartel after they got busted and hit with large fines. One might hope the lesson learned would be, "we should not fix prices", but what got them in trouble was colluding secretly. What if we just did it via earnings reports, press releases, and other public statements? While there is some market variance like the 2022 to 2023 glut, DRAM prices haven't fallen…

Publicly announcing reductions in DRAM wafer output is not per se nefarious. You need to do it from time to time anyway, if only as part of retooling towards newer technologies that will be required when making DRAM dies for newer standards.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Post by rafaelmn »

bombcar wrote: post #198
rafaelmn wrote: post #161

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I was configuring my M5 MBP preorder and 48=>64 was 250 EUR so not sure if they cut prices or your numbers are outdated ?

US prices are often low enough that it's almost worth the flight just to grab one. 14' MBP M5 Pro 64GB - $2999 or 3449 €

That's not US prices, it's just price without VAT vs with VAT included. US also has sales tax it's just not included in list prices.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Post by halJordan »

thefounder wrote: post #220
827a wrote: post #152

IMO its more nuanced. They're likely in production ramp-up of the M5 Ultra Mac Studio, for release in the next ~3 months; they have pre-purchased bins of memory from the supply-constrained major memory supplies; and they need as much as they can get because they want to push an M5 Ultra config to 768gb to continue the "you can run local models" story that the M5 Max Macbook Pro started telling last week. Going beyond…

why just 768gb and not a ~1TB ?

You have to ask why Apple is going to nickel and dime you?

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Post by halJordan »

caseyf7 wrote: post #208
bombcar wrote: post #27

They may be trying to sell through the existing CPU before a launch (soft or not) of the M5-based versions (though I've heard the rumor is there will be no M5 Ultra and we might be looking at an M6 Ultra later in the year).

There will absolutely be an M5 Ultra. Gurman has confirmed it.

That means little and less

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Post by mort96 »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #213
mort96 wrote: post #37

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The Pi isn't great value, but honestly, I'm finding it hard to find a better trade-off between price, performance and software support right now than the compute modules for embedded projects where you can afford to spin a custom PCB. Especially for low-ish volume or prototype stuff.

I also love the compute modules for their size. Stick one on a nano base board and they’re half the size of a Pi 5. TBH the standard Pis are a bit frustrating with all of the IO. I do not believe the average purchaser is using one as a PC replacement and wants 4 USB ports and 2 HDMI ports. I’ve never seen one in use like that. They are mostly servers or driving a single display without any user input.

100% with you on the IO. I've never even wanted two display output ports with any raspberry pi.

You know what I do want though? An actual damn HDMI port! HDMI cables are everywhere, wherever I am I have unlimited options to connect an HDMI device to some kind of screen. But micro HDMI? The literal only thing in my life that uses it is the Raspberry Pi 4 and 5. There have been plenty of times where I've reached for a Pi 3b instead of a 4 or 5 just because I didn't have a micro HDMI cable.

I do not understand what has gone through their head. How could anyone look at the use case for a Raspberry Pi and decide that two micro HDMI ports is a better choice than one HDMI port? I don't understand it. Like you, my experience with the Pi is that they mostly just sit there, headless, so the only reason I need display output is that it's useful during setup (because they don't have a proper serial console port).

I can't set up a Pi 4 or 5 without going hunting for that micro HDMI cable I bought specifically for that purpose and never use for anything else. I can set up a Pi 3b anywhere, at any time.

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Post by cute_boi »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #211
kube-system wrote: post #142

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The CDP debugger is easily detectable client side and many websites will flag your traffic as undesirable

I didn't know that, Sorry about that, but is there no way to make CDP debugger less detectable. Seems doable to me but maybe there's a catch if its not already done by somebody maybe?

there is so many way to make it undetectable, but it is cat and mouse game.

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Post by PostOnce »

MaxikCZ wrote: post #5
PostOnce wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A consumer computer company is not going to push people towards building a miniature HPC cluster. Closest we'll ever get to that is multiple GPUs for video games.* *Nvidia is no longer a primarily consumer company, so all the other GPU stuff is no counterpoint

One could argue that if you are buying 512gb RAM machines you are not a typical consumer.

But you're also in the tiny minority of Apple customers, because most people who need 512GB of RAM are not looking at Apple products.

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Post by tencentshill »

j45 wrote: post #140

More likely that the M5 Max Studio is coming out. the M5 Max Macbook Pros just came out. Also the 512 GB ssd version has a slower SSD than anything 1 TB and up. The new SSDs on the M5 I believe are much faster and what's coming likely will receive that. There's no doubt there's a ram shortage, and price increases, and the biggest companies in the world lock in their pricing well in advance, and the remaining leftover…

This is 512GB RAM, not SSD. Kind of insane that has to be differentiated now.
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