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BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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>As a German I believe it's more about demographics nowadays. The country and all large companies are run by older people who only saw rising prosperity their entire life. They all have settled in a comfortable place and do not seriously care about the future anymore However bad Germany is in this regard, I suspect the US is far worse. There is no cohort in the US who remembers living in "East US" to temper the exces…

Certain liberal cities are the “East US.”

Which certain ones and in which way are they like the east Germany mentioned?

Or is this just lazy bigotslop?

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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This is BMW's clever attack on Tesla's overvaluation, partially based on Optimus hype.

The use of (general purpose) humanoid robots in manufacturing will fail. BMW is just accelerating that outcome.

Then Tesla's market cap will implode.

Note that Tesla's business is pivoting to batteries. Demand is basically infinite. They'll kill it, basically printing money, if they survive the transition.

Pass the popcorn.

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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"if you've ever driven a German car, you'll realize that the car was built for engineers and not for end users " cracks me up. I once leased a BMW for 3 years. By the time I returned the car, I still didn't what all the cryptic buttons for HVAC and other controls. They just refused to follow established automotive ergonomic conventions. Anyway, my father used to do business with Germans for a long time. He had many i…

I don't know if it's sheer stubbornness or they're just wired differently. As a German I believe it's more about demographics nowadays. The country and all large companies are run by older people who only saw rising prosperity their entire life. They all have settled in a comfortable place and do not seriously care about the future anymore. They just want to keep the system running until retirement. There is no long-…

Yeah, I would call it: managing the crash.

They try to hold on to everything until retirement and don't care about anything else. In ten years Germany is like, what? 60 percent over 60?

Everyone knows it won't work, but try to hold on to it as long as possible.

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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>As a German I believe it's more about demographics nowadays. The country and all large companies are run by older people who only saw rising prosperity their entire life. They all have settled in a comfortable place and do not seriously care about the future anymore However bad Germany is in this regard, I suspect the US is far worse. There is no cohort in the US who remembers living in "East US" to temper the exces…

Certain liberal cities are the “East US.”

Do you mean places like Kansas? Very clearly becoming "East US" : https://www.npr.org/2026/02/28/nx-s1-5728969/kansas-revokes-...

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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Whenever I hear german companies mention digitalisation, I get reminded that they still use pen and pencil in production environments to log data, pass those sheets to secreteries who enter the data into legacy systems so data analysts can enter it into another system that then has an integration with SAP. Data from SAP then flows onwards to some buzzword filled Azure product that costs a few million a month from whi…

I used to work for the US side of a German multinational (one of the largest in the world) and discovered the same thing when it came to software. The German side always had slick presentations (they always had good visual marketing) and impressive claims, but whenever I tried to work with their products, I always found the claims overstated and that they hadn't really executed deeply. This despite my German counterp…

I don't know about culture in German companies, but my experience with end-user products is the opposite of yours.

I used to have a 2005 c-class mercedes, and that was a great car. Everything was well thought-out and had some very nice touches I didn't even know I needed and haven't seen in any other car my dad has had since then. It was very reliable and even had a recall some 3 years ago for a minor issue with the sunroof – which didn't manifest in my specific car.

I also have a Siemens dishwasher that is absolutely great. It has direct buttons on the front for direct selection of the different washing cycles it has, plus delayed start, extra rinse, and half load. It has an app, but you'd never know if you didn't read the manual – everything is accessible through the front panel and intelligible icons. The drawers are adjustable with the latches you need to pull on falling right under your fingers when you hold them.

In contrast, my LG washer + dryer is much more of a PITA to operate, with indicators that don't fall in front of the labels. I have to count the programs and the wheel clicks just to be sure which one is actually selected, even though I've had it for two years now. The thing doesn't even have a dedicated spin cycle! You can only select it as part of some other, larger cycle, or by using the app to upload a "custom" program. But without the app, there's no way of knowing what the currently loaded 'custom' program does until you actually start it.

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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There was always global competition but Mercedes and BMW had the brand power. At least Volkswagen is still building relatively cheap and reliable cars for the masses- they can compete with Kia and Skoda.

Skoda is owned by VW

For me, it feels like Skoda is the old VW...

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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I think this is a myth - Chinese factories don't seem to be automated to a higher degree than European ones, and in any case are still full of Kuka, Fanuc and ABB robots. I think there's a domestic brand or two that's gaining marketshare, but they're not there yet. There's a myth of Chinese high-tech (esp in cars), that is not to say their stuff isn't technologically advanced, but the characterization that Chinese te…

This take might have been true years ago, especially for cheaper makes, but modern EVs from china use high-quality components and designs that often surpass european automakers. The premium brands - Nio, Zeekr, Polestar, Lotus, etc - have design and R&D offices in Europe, and source parts from suppliers all over the world. Nio uses Nvidia Orin chips, Qualcomm SoCs, Brembo brakes, Bosch controllers, ZF suspension syst…

Apart from the tariffs madness, once Chinese cars meet our safety standards, they'll sale quite well here.

I'd buy a Kia PV9 in a heartbeat.

Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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>how cheap / penny pinching his German companies and their employees were when doing deals I think most people(Americans mostly) don't have the faintest idea how true that is right now. Here's a comment of mine from a few weeks ago giving such a present-day example that will blow your brains of how cheap german companies are. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47018023 I feel like German companies know they lost th…

~46M employed (of which ~16M part time, usually related to child or elder care), ~84M total population, ~22M pensioners, avg age ~47, lots of SMEs, little natural resources. It's part of necessary consolidation. Considering all that, we're doing quite well...

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Re: BMW Group to deploy humanoid robots in production in Germany for the first time

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I would place a bet that there are dozens to hundreds of German engineers gnashing their teeth over this travesty. This is a pure FOMO driven exercise, and the insulting thing is that BMWs management didn't even learn from Hyundai who ended up buying Boston Dynamics who started all of this madness with Atlas, which despite being the best humanoid robot still has no business case. It's especially funny to have a demo…

> Real robots work behind barriers because they are strong enough to be dangerous. But that hasn't got a sci-fi narrative for the public to latch on to.

Wait till they are controlled by ASI - there is your sci-fi for real.

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