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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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> files especially when it comes to media since iTunes and the iPod in 2001 As a non-Apple user, this is not something that happened to me. I literally have a "Files" app on my Android phone and my laptop/desktop.

Both iPhone and iPad have an app named "Files" too.

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Spot on. 99+% of those reading/making these comments use an ad blocker; 99+% of non-techies like me never have and never will.

Why would you never use an ad blocker? You like staring at billboards too?

Yes: some billboards are very entertaining!

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Steam thinks I was born Jan 1, 1970. Not that I needed to lie when I did my age verification back 15 years ago, I just randomly scrolled the year down and selected one. As the years have marched on, though, that "birthdate" becomes significantly closer to my real birthday.

> As the years have marched on, though, that "birthdate" becomes significantly closer to my real birthday. I understand there's a clever phrasing here but I didn't get it. English is only my second language.

It becomes closer to their real birthday than their real birthday is to the present day.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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People don't like these checks. Ok. But. Parents worry about their kids being exposed to porn and social media. They want someone to do something about it. That political force is real, and someone is going to take advantage of it. What tools can they ask for if not these checks everyone agrees they hate? That's what I hope for in these types of comment threads.

> But. Parents worry about their kids being exposed to porn and social media. They want someone to do something about it. Someone, anyone, but themselves.

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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People don't like these checks. Ok. But. Parents worry about their kids being exposed to porn and social media. They want someone to do something about it. That political force is real, and someone is going to take advantage of it. What tools can they ask for if not these checks everyone agrees they hate? That's what I hope for in these types of comment threads.

It's called parenting. Don't do ipad parenting then. We didn't get a SEGA console and cable TV was restricted to only 2 hours. It was fine. It was fun. The only thing I wish for from my child is more time with friends not more screen time.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Your ipad babies are not my problem. It's called parenting. Don't do ipad parenting then. We didn't get a SEGA console and cable TV was restricted to only 2 hours. It was fine. It was fun. The only thing I wish for from my child is more time with friends not more screen time.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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I initially thought, well, we can implement it with zero knowledge claims, just a yes/no from a government app: am I allowed to use this app? I.e. is my age above let’s say 16 or 18?

But then I remembered the game 20 questions, and how few yes/no questions you need to guess pretty much any concept.

I am no longer willing to share anything, not even a yes/no question.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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I completely agree. The only services for which I will verify my age (and the entire rest of my ID) are bank accounts and other services involving a real legal requirement for real ID.

The notion that you should upload a passport to random sites for age verification is unbelievably dangerous. That's a recipe for identity theft. And face scanning is also an invasion of privacy, not to mention very unreliable (my 16 year old son has apparently been accepted as 20 years old).

I've pointed out in many places already that the only way to do online age verification right, is for the government to provide an e-ID that the random site will direct you to with the question "is this person older than X?", then you log in to the e-ID site, which informs you exactly what the site wants to know (which should be as rough as possible; no birthdate), then the e-ID site directs you back to your original site (or possibly through a proxy, if you don't want the government to know what sites you visit), and calls their webhook (through a proxy) with the confirmation of your age.

That's also how my online payments work, and this should be the standard pattern for everything that needs to be secure. Not sharing sensitive or personal data with random sites.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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I wish we lived in the timeline where the most reputable and market-leading age verification provider was PornHub, which would have a modestly dressed model check via video chat. I'd actually trust that more than the actual providers that exist in reality, and hey, if even 1% of the money goes to college tuition, great. Of course, if that was how this worked, the optics would kill most of these schemes before they were implemented.

As a parent, I'd like to point out that the threat I care about is not "my kid of age N talks to a sicko of age M, where M - N > P for some legislatively-prescribed value of P".

The threat is "my kid of age N talks to or can be observed by a sicko".

These age verification schemes do nothing to help against that. Also, the worst predators online are often the vendors providing "kid friendly" services.

On top of that, these laws are being pushed hardest by the worst of the most corrupt politicians on earth. Why would I install a webcam on my kid's machine because that group of people wants me to?!?

Maybe we should focus on prosecuting the backlog of stuff in the Epstein files pertaining to politicians pushing these age verification services, not let anyone (except parents) control how kids access stuff online.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Age verification is about one thing only, it's about controlling how you participate in public society. The state wants a veto on public participation that they don't like. This system will not prevent children from being exposed to unsafe spaces, but it will be effective at barring people with counter political narratives from sharing online. Look how they've desperately tried to crack down on Epstein and information on Gaza. They want the same controls over information and political content as China.
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