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I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by dqv »

WarmWash wrote: post #118
smallmancontrov wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, if a company gets enough leverage the top plan will demand both payment and ads. We've seen it before and we'll see it again.

Examples would be the best way to prove me wrong. Most (all?) streaming services offer an ad-free plan, and those are the most popular hybrid payment services by far.

Hulu: Disney+, Hulu Bundle Premium: For $19.99/month, eligible subscribers get Disney+ (No Ads)* and Hulu (No Ads)*.

*Ads will be served in select live and linear content

I won't be engaging in any mental gymnastics where there is some redefinition of "no ads" to mean "some ads".

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by pfortuny »

simianwords wrote: post #65

It’s strange to see extreme amount of hysteria on this. There’s enough market competition to not allow this. If ChatGPT is doing it then just move to Claude. If all are doing it then surely opensource models are a good alternative. But i think leaning into the hysteria provides some comfort

You seem to not have known the Altavista/Yahoo/Terra/AskJeeves/Lycos/InfoSeek era of search engines. There was enough market competition to not allow for ads to appear on every search.

And then, BANG!

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by thethimble »

planb wrote: post #220

I understand the message this tries to tell but this is not how it will look. This is how dying cash cows look. This isn’t even dangerous, it’s just ugly and wouldn’t be used by many people. The real thing will look like ChatGPT. It will even answer WAY faster, because every microsecond means real money. The answers will sound real. They will even be useful. But maximally engaging. Each answer will end with a clickba…

Or users will realize that a trashy ads experience is bad and switch to a service that isn't trashy.

I don't understand why there's so much fearmongering about ads when heavy competition + zero switching costs will effectively guarantee good UX.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by jstummbillig »

Doing something badly in bad faith is easy, producing something good and interesting is hard (and also obviously outside the capabilities of most people).

Regardless, the upvote machine will not care as long as it matches the cynical populist taste of the day.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by michaelteter »

thethimble wrote: post #223
planb wrote: post #220

I understand the message this tries to tell but this is not how it will look. This is how dying cash cows look. This isn’t even dangerous, it’s just ugly and wouldn’t be used by many people. The real thing will look like ChatGPT. It will even answer WAY faster, because every microsecond means real money. The answers will sound real. They will even be useful. But maximally engaging. Each answer will end with a clickba…

Or users will realize that a trashy ads experience is bad and switch to a service that isn't trashy. I don't understand why there's so much fearmongering about ads when heavy competition + zero switching costs will effectively guarantee good UX.

Sometimes the big trashy company buys the better rival, and then trashes it.

Edit - just stumbled on this :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ

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Post by apparent »

amarant wrote: post #206
nickk81 wrote: post #21

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Wow, #1 post on HN right now... First time ever for me.

Please patent everything about this app! Patent the whole "tune AI to sell relevant products" methodology. Aggressively sue anyone who uses your IP. Set up a go fund me or something to cover your legal costs, alternatively sell a licence to use the IP to one of the major AI houses(but not all of them, please not all of them). Set up an estate to protect this IP until 70 years after your death. After that I guess we'r…

Patents don't last that long, FYI. Other types of IP do, as Disney has profitably demonstrated/lobbied.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by apparent »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #94
smilespray wrote: post #78

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YouTube Premium Lite! You know, with ads. That you pay to watch.

Amazon prime! A paid service with advertisements for the original content no one wants to watch.

Yeah, I basically never watch it anymore on account of the ads. Perhaps that was their goal: to reduce content licensing costs.

Re: I built a demo of what AI chat will look like when it's “free” and ad-supported

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Post by artursapek »

gus_massa wrote: post #205
artursapek wrote: post #193

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Thanks for the feedback. I will try that :) Revise can already do a lot of things neither Google nor Overleaf can so I think it has an edge.

Remember to add them in the comment of your post! Or even better make another sample project with the one or two most interesting features not covered by the other online editors. Edit: Stealing an idead from a very old thread that I can't find, someone posted a editable site. Perhaps you can build s short document with the main features for HN users and post something like https://revise.io/clone-now-this-doc/oury1n…

Anonymous users’ docs are stored in their browser, so as long as they don’t clear browser storage their docs should still be there.

Appreciate the input. :-)

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