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Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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It’s be great if Google just revoked antigravity access if terms were violated. No need to disable the entire account.

How do so many people think this happened? All of the articles I’ve read have been clear that it did not happen. Yet it’s all over the comments here. Why?

It's very easy to believe, and that's how Google bans usually go. Probably nothing more to it than that.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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How do you even pull away from a Gmail address? I'm nearly twenty years into that service. Getting banned would be absolutely devastating...

buy a domain. create icloud account. use their custom domain email setup (free btw) - https://support.apple.com/en-us/102540 Start replacing important account emails with your custom domain. Every time you get an important email in gmail, login and update. Bonus: icloud let's you create catch all emails, so you can create many burner emails such as hackernews@mydomain.com

How is it free?

> When you subscribe to iCloud+, you can use a custom domain name

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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> the link clearly says that if you are not using the harness provided by Claude for the Agent SDK (such as for making tool calls), you have to use the Client SDK But you just made this up? There's no text on the page that says this. What the linked page does is explain technical differences between Agent SDK and Client SDK, and Agent SDK and cli (Agent SDK is just a wrapper around cli anyway). Neither tab says anyth…

>And your assumption is wrong on another level. The Agent SDK specifically exists so that you can write your own harness and give it custom tools - that's its entire purpose. It's even documented in their custom tools guide [1]. Yea, you don't seem to even understand what you are writing. This in no way contradicts any statement I or Anthopic has said. >Neither tab says anything remotely like "if a third-party app pr…

Yeah I'm not getting what you're getting from the text you're quoting. Probably should drop the insults until it's actually clear you're correct.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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But there were no total account bans. If you got banned from antigravity you also got banned from the Gemini API.

Yes, but next time this might be different. Who knows, there are no rules. You ask Gemini about creating a new search engine which might compete with Google: is it fine? Is it a permaban of all your Google services? Let's put it on red and go for it!

Right. The point is that the anxiety around total account bans is realistic and has a historical basis.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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What I don’t understand about policy violations is why Google never warns the user before banning. A simple alert or email would reduce so much frustration on the part of users and so much overhead for Google. ToS change frequently and it’s not really fair to assume the user knows what is and is not correct use of tokens.

It is very easy to understand -- Google loses nothing by acting this way. They despise these users (and users in general by not providing any meaningful customer service), so it's natural they just cut off access completely.

If you think about how people's entire Google accounts are getting banned without apparently violating any terms without the ability to talk to someone or appeal, this feels almost nothing.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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> Use your own domain to sign up for a paid email service, provided by a company that focuses on email. Note you don't need to pay. just use zoho mail or any other free email that lets you bring your own domain. Switch email providers as needed without changing your domain The trouble with paying is that if you forget to pay, you may lose email. (arguably this is also a problem with domains, generally you should pay…

I prefer to pay for the product so I do not become the product.

Yeah, I did think like that, until the day I couldn't afford and lost some important stuff. Forgetting to pay also happens

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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I prefer to pay for the product so I do not become the product.

Yeah, I did think like that, until the day I couldn't afford and lost some important stuff. Forgetting to pay also happens

I'd love to be able to pay for 5+ years of email service in one go, like I do when buying domains.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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> This is almost as realistic as "I wish netflix or youtube allowed me to use VLC to watch their content". This is exactly what should be happening. There's no reason to limit the client apps for things like _paid_ Netflix or Youtube Premium.

Except you can't prevent people stealing the videos then. And as much as I don't like how things work right now, I think people have a right to get paid for stuff they make and Netflix is one way of doing that.

"Stealing videos"?!? Are we back in 2005 again?

All the videos are _already_ available anyway, several minutes after they're available on Netflix. And on Youtube they are _literally_ free, with ads. People sign up for Netflix subscriptions to not bother with torrents and pirate forums, and for Youtube Premium to avoid ads.

That's why it makes no freaking sense to _not_ make your content available for paid subscribers using APIs.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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Yes, our masters once again embarrass us unworthy peons with their endless grace, generosity and forebearance. How lucky we are to entrust our data and our lives to them!

It's easy to sneer at huge corps getting mildly scammed by people stretching or breaking the rules. Certainly I don't shed any tears for these corporations. On the other hand, I have learned that people who are willing to find exploits with trust-based systems operated by huge corps are very often willing to apply that same cheating and exploitation mentality without regard for who the other party is. These are very…

What upsets me is less the fraudsters, though they are bad as you outline, but just the setup.

Google is in unilateral control of a whole pile of things. Some of them are more critical than others - in particular, if you use a GMail address or Google account to identify yourself to third parties, Google has you by the balls. It has billions of people by the balls. At any time, they could completely ruin your digital life. They don't even need a reason. If they lock you out, you have no way to get their actual attention, or to reverse their decision.

That's coercive power. The need of Google "customers" to keep in Google's good books because it can ruin their day at the flick of a switch is a massive boon for Google.

The power of scammers to defraud local shops pales into insignificance by comparison. And yet, we spend disproportionate amounts of time going after petty crooks, rather than directly addressing large corporations who wield enormous power to enrich themselves with little-to-no blowback. They can pay for the best lawyers on the planet to stretch out and thwart lawsuits and regulatory meetings. They are more powerful than us, and we need to reverse that - unless basically we give up and let them rule us with unchecked power?

A society where everyone feels helpless against a tyrannical ruler is bad, so os one where they can't trust their neighbours. I don't know if they're comparable but I'd prefer neither. I'd like thieves and scammers prosecuted, I'd also like large corporations regulated to within an inch of their lives.

Re: Addressing Antigravity Bans and Reinstating Access

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^this is the way. You can buy a domain name for like $10 per year; I recommend getting it from porkbun.com. Cloudflare.com is good too, EXCEPT if you buy your domain from them, you'll be required to use their nameservers until and unless you transfer your domain elsewhere (which you won't be able to do for a while). Though to be fair, their free DNS is good and lots of people use it anyway. It makes email setup sligh…

Porkbun have started demanding ID verification for registrations, which depending how you feel about current events might make you reconsider having them on your list

When I started using them, they did this by checking against Paypal, with whom (admittedly to my regret) I had already verified myself. I wasn't asked to provide a copy of my ID to them directly, at least, or to provide it anew to one of those random ID verification companies that are popping up out of the woodwork.

It also just bothers me less in this case than in most because, no matter who you buy from, if you ever need to verify ownership of your account/domains, you may eventually be asked to show ID/verify your identity anyway, and if you can't prove you're the person who bought the domain then you risk losing it (say, by not being able to regain control of it after it is stolen). And if it's a domain you've tied your email or business to, and you've pre-payed 10 years, that would suck majorly.

So I feel about it more or less how I feel about my bank needing ID, personally. But I definitely get why others may not agree/may have a different use case to begin with.

I think also there is a big problem with scammers using stolen credit cards to buy domains, which they use to send phishing email or operate malicious websites. Preventing this at least makes way more sense as a motive than "protect the children by identifying all of them".

If you buy from elsewhere, you can find a way to avoid the ID verification, but most places will only take digital payment, so they still probably end up with your card number and name.

I'm not a fan at all of age verification laws and websites requiring ID, but this one I tolerate, personally. But I won't blame anyone for not doing the same.

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