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Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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Your last statement is false. A shady merchant never gets to keep the stolen money. The card issuer/bank refunds you immediately because of consumer protection laws. But that charge is immediately charged to the processor. The processor then gets the merchant involved in a dispute process. If the merchant loses the processor charges the merchant. One way they do it is to immediately deduct it from their current proce…

You are incorrect. Chase uses a "provisional credit" system, but for small amounts, this credit often becomes permanent almost instantly. Wells Fargo utilizes an automated system called the Wells Fargo Dispute Manager which is also similar. Technically, it is Self-Insurance. Banks set aside a portion of their interchange revenue (the fees they charge merchants for every swipe) into a "Provision for Credit Losses." Th…

And yet I’ve dealt with $15 (and I believe less) chargebacks on more than on occasion. Chargebacks that Stripe charges me $15 even if I win the dispute.

The banks don’t seem to care one bit about and evidence you do provide anyway, I just imagine their dispute system is just “sleep(10 days); return DENIED;”

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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A Strix Halo with 128GB unified memory is less than $2k and the more suitable alternative to a mac. I'm pretty happy with my device (Bosgame M5).

the macs outperform it and I figure it's a better general purpose computer than strix halo. if budget is a problem, then a strix halo is a decent alternative.

Well a mac isn't really an alternative to a mac, or is it? ;)

Personally I'm not interested in having a mac as I work with linux. And yes, they outperform them, but only if you ignore the price. When comparing what you get for ~$2k, a Strix Halo is miles ahead.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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I never really understood people's need to post these cynical doomer posts. "Things can't be perfect so don't bother doing anything ever I am so smart". Will a few dozen people canceling their accounts change anything? Probably not, but at least we know that we're not actively giving our money to Sam Altman. There's not a lot in the world that any of us have control over. Most of us aren't billionaires who can buy a…

Do you understand that this news is not universally disliked and some people are happy to keep their subscriptions?

And this thread like most of reddit just becomes a hive-mind of me-too comments. Downvoting anything that goes against the common theme into [flagged].

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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A Strix Halo with 128GB unified memory is less than $2k and the more suitable alternative to a mac. I'm pretty happy with my device (Bosgame M5).

Can you elaborate more on your use cases, models, setup,...?

I'm not really using them for coding (only played a little bit with minimax2.1), which is probably the most common use case here.

I mainly use them for deep work with texts and deep research. My main criterion is privacy, both for legal reasons (I'm in the EU and can't and don't want to expose customer's data to non-gdpr-compliant services) and wouldn't use US services personally either, e.g. I would never explore health related topics chatgpt or gemini for obvious reasons.

Technically I've set it up in my office with llama.cpp and have exposed that (both chat interface and openai compatible api) with a simple wireguard tunnel behind nginx and http auth. Now I can use it everywhere. It's a small, quiet and pretty fast machine (compiling llama.cpp is around 20 seconds?), I quite like it.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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> This is genuinely

Well, I have a good guess which of those models is your favorite.

I'm not even saying that Claude wrote this - because it still reads as human written, and it's not badly written - but it has just enough Claude voice in it that it feels like the thing where humans inevitably start talking like the people (or simulacrums thereof) that they interact with most. (Heck, you did "It's not X it's Y" twice)

...Or maybe I'm the crazy one here. I don't know. But if I'm right, it's fascinating to see this happen.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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This is a good time to promote running your own models. I have been running my own models locally and I would wager a local model will meet 85-95% of your needs if you really learn to use it. These models have gotten great. For anyone wanting to get into this, the smartest models to run recently that is consumer friendly was just released, checkout Qwen3.5 the 27B and 35B variants. They are small and I recommend runn…

The big AI labs are almost certainly selling inference below cost and burning mountains of money. With the insane increase in hardware prices, running models locally just doesn’t make any financial sense.

Apparently inference itself is profitable, at least according to an interview I watched with Dario. They even cover the cost of training itself, if you look at it on a model-by-model basis.

The cash burn comes from models ballooning in size - they spend (as an example, not actual numbers) 100M on training + inference for the lifetime of Sonnet 3.5, make 200M from subscriptions/api keys while it's SOTA, but then have to somehow come up with 1B to train Opus 4.0.

To run some other back of the envelope calcs: GLM 4.7 Air (previous "good" local LLM) can generate ~70 tok/s on a Mac Mini. This equates to 2,200 million tokens per year.

Openrouter charge $0.40 per million tokens, so theoretically if you were using that Mac mini at 100% utilisation you'd be generating $880 per annum "worth" of API usage.

Assuming a power draw of something 50W, you're only looking at 440kWh per annum. At 20c per kWh that's $90 on power, plus $499 to get the hardware itself. Depreciate that $499 hardware cost over 3 years and you're looking at ~$260 to generate ~$880 in inference income.

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Even with the same email, probably.

They specifically say you cannot reuse the same email. I also tried after deleting and it said this email has been deleted.

This doesn’t seem to be correct. From the help page:

“If I delete my account can I create a new account with the same email?

Yes. You can create a new account using the same email address after 30 days, provided the prior account was fully deleted (not deactivated).”

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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> This is genuinely Well, I have a good guess which of those models is your favorite. I'm not even saying that Claude wrote this - because it still reads as human written, and it's not badly written - but it has just enough Claude voice in it that it feels like the thing where humans inevitably start talking like the people (or simulacrums thereof) that they interact with most. (Heck, you did "It's not X it's Y" twic…

If you're crazy then I am too. 50% odds it was written by a human, 50% bot.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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For non-Mac users: A laptop with an iGPU and loads of system RAM has the advantage of being able to use system ram in addition to VRAM to load models (assuming your gpu driver supports it, which most do afaik), so load up as much system RAM as you can. The downside is, the system RAM is less fast than dedicated GDDR5. These GPUs would be Radeon 890M and Intel Arc (previous generations are still decently good, if that…

> there are at least a dozen companies that provide non-Anthropic/non-OpenAI models in the cloud Do you have some links? Also I assume the privacy implications are vastly different compared to running locally?

I use Ollama Cloud. $20/mo and I never come close to hitting quota (YMMV obviously).

They don't log anything, and they use US datacenters.

Re: How do I cancel my ChatGPT subscription?

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For non-Mac users: A laptop with an iGPU and loads of system RAM has the advantage of being able to use system ram in addition to VRAM to load models (assuming your gpu driver supports it, which most do afaik), so load up as much system RAM as you can. The downside is, the system RAM is less fast than dedicated GDDR5. These GPUs would be Radeon 890M and Intel Arc (previous generations are still decently good, if that…

> there are at least a dozen companies that provide non-Anthropic/non-OpenAI models in the cloud, many of which are dirt cheap because of how fast and good open weights are now. Oh yeah, seems obvious now you said it, but this is a great point. I'm constantly thinking "I need to get into local models but I dread spending all that time and money without having any idea if the end result would be useful". But obviously…

Well they are doing that because of the nature of matrix multiplication. Specifically, LLM costs scale in the square length of a single input, let's call it N, but only linearly in the number of batched inputs.

O(M * N^2 * d)

d is a constant related to the network you're running. Batching, btw, is the reason many tools like Ollama require you to set the context length before serving requests.

Having many more inputs is way cheaper than having longer inputs. In fact, that this is the case is the reason we went for LLMs in the first place: as this allows training to proceed quickly, batching/"serving many customers" is exactly what you do during training. GPUs came in because taking 10k triangles, and then doing almost the exact same calculation batched 1920*1080 times on them is exactly what happens behind the eyes of Lara Croft.

And this is simplified because a vector input (ie. M=1) is the worst case for the hardware, so they just don't do it (and certainly not in published benchmark results). Often even older chips are hardwired to work with M set to 8 (and these days 24 or 32) for every calculation. So until you hit 20 customers/requests at the same time, it's almost entirely free in practice.

Hence: the optimization of subagents. Let's say you need an LLM to process 1 million words (let's say 1 word = 1 token for simplicity)

O(1 million words in one go) ~ 1e12 or 1 trillion operations

O(1000 times 1000 words) ~ 1e9 or 1 billion operations

O(10000 times 100 words) ~ 1e8 or 100 million operations

O(100000 times 10 words) ~ 1e7 or 10 million operations

O(one word at a time) ~ 1e6 or 1 million operations

Of course, to an extent this last way of doing things is the long known case of a recurrent neural network. Very difficult to train, but if you get it working, it speeds away like professor Snape confronted with a bar of soap (to steal a Harry Potter joke)

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