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Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by aa-jv »

itishappy wrote: post #178
aa-jv wrote: post #147

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Alas, your knowledge or consent is not a requirement if you are in public, and this is a human right worth defending, frankly. Your desire to consent to being recorded in public places does not counteract my right to record everything I can perceive in public. Period.

That's fair. You have the legal right. I'm still going to avoid you like the plague.

Yeah, that is totally okay, its why human rights are so important to protect. You wouldn't want to be in a situation where an authority doesn't allow you to avoid them like the plague, would you? It is, therefore, your right to record those authorities .. so that they will go away, too.

Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by aa-jv »

drdaeman wrote: post #213
IncreasePosts wrote: post #186

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You're assuming every country has laws similar to, I'm guessing, america.

It's a more fundamental issue than those legal oddities of the day. It's whether people have a right to remember, right to share their memories (there must be lots of nuances here), and whether others have a right to be forgotten or deny some or all of such sharing - and how all those play together. I can't wait for the day brain-machine interfaces will become more advanced and commonplace (so cyborgs become somethin…

I have a right to collect evidence in my own defense, and that evidence may not be abrogated by by-standers to the event who might attempt to prevent me gathering that evidence.

Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by itishappy »

aa-jv wrote: post #220
itishappy wrote: post #219

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How do you figure? There is no "right to record," nor is surveillance mentioned in the Declaration of Human Rights. In fact, it points out in Article 12 and 29 that rights and freedoms can and should be limited by law if they impinge on the rights and freedoms of others, such as those mentioned in Article 12: > No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor t…

Article 19: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers . Seeking and receiving information covers gathering facts, evidence, or observations from public events or spaces (e.g., documenting protests, government actions, police conduct, o…

I do like it, and agree it's an important mechanism, but it's not a blank check as it's in tension with the other articles. I do not read that as granting you the right to any and all information you might desire. For instance, I hope we can agree that allowing the public to film bathrooms or gynecology appointments crosses a line.

Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by itishappy »

aa-jv wrote: post #221
itishappy wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fair. You have the legal right. I'm still going to avoid you like the plague.

Yeah, that is totally okay, its why human rights are so important to protect. You wouldn't want to be in a situation where an authority doesn't allow you to avoid them like the plague, would you? It is, therefore, your right to record those authorities .. so that they will go away, too.

Totally agree. To be clear, I'm not arguing for a ban on smartglasses. I'm simply explaining why they make me uncomfortable.

The ability to record authorities is something I fully support, but I still don't want to be in that video if I can help it.

On top of that, most smartglasses are not private. If authorities can access the feeds, then my neighbor with RayBans becomes an authority, and it makes it that much harder for me to avoid them like the plague. This similarly applies to Ring doorbells and Flock ALPRs.

Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by itishappy »

Markoff wrote: post #218
thunderfork wrote: post #168

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Pinhole cameras ain't for that

why not? secret camera is sometimes better than letting others know they are being filmed

For what benefit? A secret camera is not a deterrent as by definition it can only be used reactively.

Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by IncreasePosts »

aa-jv wrote: post #217
IncreasePosts wrote: post #186

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You're assuming every country has laws similar to, I'm guessing, america.

Its the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and it covers you whether you like it or not, thankfully. You might not like it but thats gonna change the moment you need to exercise that very right yourself.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights has as much teeth as The New Colossus does. It's a bunch of prose with absolutely no binding or enforcement mechanisms.

Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by OrangeMusic »

- People can film you on their phone, while seemingly just browsing a webpage.

- People can film you with a hidden miniature camera

- People who want to discreetly film people without their knowledge won't use smart glasses, because they're too obvious

Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by scotty79 »

iso1631 wrote: post #146
scotty79 wrote: post #55

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Perceptions of probability: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....

I love how some of the curves go negative

There are no ticks so I assume 0% is on the left edge and not directly over the label.

Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by aa-jv »

itishappy wrote: post #223
aa-jv wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article 19: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers . Seeking and receiving information covers gathering facts, evidence, or observations from public events or spaces (e.g., documenting protests, government actions, police conduct, o…

I do like it, and agree it's an important mechanism, but it's not a blank check as it's in tension with the other articles. I do not read that as granting you the right to any and all information you might desire. For instance, I hope we can agree that allowing the public to film bathrooms or gynecology appointments crosses a line.

Oh, there are always going to need to be exceptions to the rights, such as the tacit contract one enters into, abrogating the right to record, when entering a privacy-respecting space that is marked as such and is not part of the public commons but rather that of a private entity whose intent was to create a private bathroom in which people are definitely not to record each others activities without additional contract - i.e. consent - of all parties involved.

But it still has to be iterated in light of such exceptions, that the rights encoded in the UDHR are there to protect humanity, as a species, so that we can indeed form our own cultures freely as we see fit.

Re: Nearby Glasses

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Post by aa-jv »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #226
aa-jv wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and it covers you whether you like it or not, thankfully. You might not like it but thats gonna change the moment you need to exercise that very right yourself.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights has as much teeth as The New Colossus does. It's a bunch of prose with absolutely no binding or enforcement mechanisms.

Following the notion that one needs force to get things done is rather a tempestuous path to take.

The rights are there for all of us, and indeed they are generally aligned along natural human phenemonen, specifically for the purpose of allowing the weak and the strong to live as equals, universally.

Sure, you have the right as long as you have the gun. But you still have the rights once you lose the gun too, human.

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