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Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #203
stratocumulus0 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Catholicism is different in every country, I would imagine that a church in a secular place such as France would contain itself a bit, because there's no societal expectation that anyone should follow its religion, and therefore the priests have to put in effort into making people stay. In Poland, where I grew up, the Church still holds a lot of power and prestige, and priests consider themselves to have authority ov…

It also varies inside countries. Some priests are simply more demure than others. The church as an institution certainly prefers the more radical conservatives as you go higher up the chain, but many low level employees that still talk to commoners do realize that these views are going to put off more people than they attract in developed countries. So in the long term they will only be left with a bunch of crazy rad…

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Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by wqaatwt »

grey-area wrote: post #80
somenameforme wrote: post #64

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They often were. A lot of history has been retold more in a way to fit contemporary narrative than to maintain historical accuracy. For instance Galileo. The typical tale is something like Galileo dared claim the Earth is not the center of the universe, the Church freaked out at the violation of dogma, shunned him, and he was lucky to escape with his life. In reality the Pope was one of Galileo's biggest supporters a…

Cover both sides in neutrality???!!! The geocentric position is silly and wrong. There are no two sides here.

Based on data and evidence that we now have? Yes.

Back then Galileo’s theory wasn’t exactly provable and while he did get the core idea right he was still wrong on quite a few important things.

e.g. Tycho‘s model solved quite a few questions that Galileo couldn’t at the time.

e.g. Stellar parallax was a big issue that was conclusively solved until the 1800s

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

soderfoo wrote: post #154
adrianN wrote: post #132

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You have a lot of faith in the qualities of average priests.

To be fair, faith is the crux of Catholicism.

I assume this was intended as a joke, even if it is one that doesn’t land? Because it’s not clear what this could mean otherwise.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by lotsofpulp »

viraptor wrote: post #211
solatic wrote: post #48

No priest will feed sufficient context about their community into the context window - even if they were skilled enough to do so, unless the model was locally hosted, doing so would be a violation of their vows of silence. Good homilies are written with the particular community in mind. If it were more effective to write a homily for a generic public, the Vatican would have started publishing standard homilies long a…

I'm glad that priests are well known for always obeying rules and never abusing their position. /s

I don’t understand why you’re downvoted. “No priest would ever break rules” is such a strong and ridiculous claim that I thought solatic was trolling.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by wolvesechoes »

QuesnayJr wrote: post #118
somenameforme wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They often were. A lot of history has been retold more in a way to fit contemporary narrative than to maintain historical accuracy. For instance Galileo. The typical tale is something like Galileo dared claim the Earth is not the center of the universe, the Church freaked out at the violation of dogma, shunned him, and he was lucky to escape with his life. In reality the Pope was one of Galileo's biggest supporters a…

It amazes me that people think this version of events makes the Church sound better, when it makes it sound worse.

It is not about better or worse, it is about correcting myths created later on that were intended to paint the Church as epitome of backwardness.

Galileo's affair wasn't about noble scientist going against stupid masses and oppressive institution designed to keep people in dark, while providing strong evidence for revolutionary theory, and being punished for his great genius.

But it is often presented like this.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by tsimionescu »

alansaber wrote: post #189

Corporations vs organised religion on artificial intelligence? This is way cooler than the cold war.

If you want to play a game about it, the Deus Ex series includes this detail too (especially in the sequel and prequels).

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by wqaatwt »

accidentallfact wrote: post #148
somenameforme wrote: post #119

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If you step outside and watch the stars, and map them, you'd also come to the conclusion of a geocentric universe yourself. The nature of the sky makes it appear that everything is regularly revolving around us. And incidentally you can even create astronomical predictions based upon this assumption that are highly accurate. You end up needing to assume epicycle upon epicycle, but Galileo's theory was no better there…

The thing that made him question geocentrism was that Venus quite visibly orbits the Sun. It has always been known that the tides are caused by the Moon. The hard part is to predict the tides in detail, as they depend on the geography as well. Some of the first computers were invented to predict the tides.

> Venus quite visibly orbits the Sun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tychonic_system

Was already a thing, though.

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by wolvesechoes »

DonHopkins wrote: post #195
karel-3d wrote: post #93

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It will surprise you but we don't literally believe there is a face in the sky looking down.

Yeah, but you literally and officially hate LGBTQ+ people, treat women as property, condone slavery, and literally hallucinate that crackers and wine are flesh and blood in spite of what your eyes, nose, taste buds, and all scientific instruments and measurements tell you. Edit: yet you can't counter the objective fact that the Catholic Church is a hateful abusive power hungry cult full of dogmatically hallucinating…

Man, you are straight out of some meme generator back from Dawkins's heyday.

> treat women as property, condone slavery

Any examples in Church writings?

Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by DonHopkins »

tsimionescu wrote: post #215
DonHopkins wrote: post #193

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> There are always exceptions like Galileo Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

Comapring the assassination of a president by a pro-slaver to a scholarly and political dispute that ended up with house arrest in a villa, where he wrote and published his most important work, is a bit wild. The Church has done much, much worse things than the dispute with Galileo.

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Re: Pope tells priests to use their brains, not AI, to write homilies

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Post by seba_dos1 »

mountainb wrote: post #184
stratocumulus0 wrote: post #152

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I was raised Catholic and even though the last time I've been to a church could have been in 2019, I don't remember any priest who wouldn't just gloss over the religious content for the day (copied from an online source), itching to share his politics and the most recent ragebait he's got from Facebook at the end.

I have heard phoned in homilies from some priests but this is not accurate in the United States based on my travels and weekly local attendance. Sorry that you had a bad experience.

I can assure you that their experience wasn't in any way exceptional. It may be different in the US as Catholicism is in the minority in there (~20%), while GP's experience is from a place absolutely dominated by it (>90%).
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