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CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

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Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

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Post by mystraline »

0_____0 wrote: post #149
abtinf wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History is littered with the corpses of those slaughtered by the millions in the name of great leader’s 5 year plans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

That's the most obvious example of failure of Chinese central planning. That and one child policy were abysmal failures that resulted from shoddy science coupled to effective central authority. Look at the 12/13/14th 5 year plan (the most recently passed). Do you think they achieved their goals? If your headcanon is that the CCP is inept because they caused crop failures 60 years ago... you could stand to take a look…

Notice the go-to for capitalists against communism is "Look at how many people they killed!!!"

No such metric is available for capitalist countries. Thats because its *always* an individual failure in capitalism, not political/societal.

You CHOSE not to have healthcare. (You work 1099, or work a job that doesnt provide healthcare, due to tying job and health.)

You CHOSE to go with UnitedHealthCare that denies 30% for baseless reasons. (The company chose your plan, you have no real choice here.)

You CHOSE to be homeless. (You can't force companies to interview or hire you.)

You CHOSE to eat the only food nearby (You live in a food desert).

Just from Hepatitis C, the company that makes Solvaldi makes a cure. Costs $84k, $1000 a pill for 84 days.

But we see more and more deaths from Hep C. But this is a "personal failure", not a systemic one in a capitalist country.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

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Post by gchamonlive »

PowerElectronix wrote: post #219
gchamonlive wrote: post #207

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That is such a defeatist position... How about regulation?

Ask the EU how that regulate everything policy is going for local manufacturing.

Is the answer to bad regulation to not regulate at all? How EU is regulating isn't the only way to do it. And is bad regulation that much worse than monopoly by the billionaires? There is no distinction. At least with bad regulation you always have the chance to vote better next time. Good luck dealing with oligarchs.

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Post by mystraline »

arcticbull wrote: post #183
abtinf wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History is littered with the corpses of those slaughtered by the millions in the name of great leader’s 5 year plans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

Deaths in the Great Leap Forward were heavily concentrated as compared to the Industrial Revolution but the death tolls from IR-related famines weren't really all that far off. Industrialization was messy everywhere. The Irish Potato Famine alone killed 15% of Ireland vs the GLF killing 5% of China. That's not a reason not to plan 5 years in advance... is it? Any more than the Potato Famine is a reason we should't ha…

The Irish Potato Famine was a constructed starvation by England to Ireland. All of their real foodstuffs were being stolen by England to run world-level wars everywhere, and the Irish grew what they were permitted to. Potatoes.

Then the disease hit.

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Post by mschuster91 »

impure-aqua wrote: post #196
xbmcuser wrote: post #182

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The big difference recently from the past is instead of philosophers its scientists who are making the plans and decisions in China so are willing to course correct instead staying the course despite bad out comes.

I don't know if that tracks, senior leadership was heavily influenced towards implementing the one child policy by the works of Song Jian, who came from a rocketry background and presented a model whereby the population would grow to an unsustainable level unless corrective control was applied. I think it is unlikely philosophers would have suggested to treat population growth like tuning a PID controller.

> I don't know if that tracks, senior leadership was heavily influenced towards implementing the one child policy by the works of Song Jian, who came from a rocketry background and presented a model whereby the population would grow to an unsustainable level unless corrective control was applied.

The problem wasn't the idea of modeling itself, it was to not be aware of what we know today from Africa - with more wealth and especially less child mortality, reproduction will drop in about one generation, even without punitive governmental intervention. Even 60 years ago, people tended to have anywhere from 3 to 5 children, just because the chance was so high that at least two would simply die before reaching adulthood.

But thanks due to better maternal healthcare, vaccinations and OSHA, that mortality rate dropped significantly, and so people adapted on their own - and that's before getting into women being able to control fertility on their own or housing/cost of living exploding in the same timeframe.

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Post by steveBK123 »

impure-aqua wrote: post #196
xbmcuser wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference recently from the past is instead of philosophers its scientists who are making the plans and decisions in China so are willing to course correct instead staying the course despite bad out comes.

I don't know if that tracks, senior leadership was heavily influenced towards implementing the one child policy by the works of Song Jian, who came from a rocketry background and presented a model whereby the population would grow to an unsustainable level unless corrective control was applied. I think it is unlikely philosophers would have suggested to treat population growth like tuning a PID controller.

A good read in this area is Dan Wang's book - Breakneck

One could probably summarize it as having engineering leaders solve engineering problems is good, but they can very efficiently implement very bad social policies. Likewise having non-STEM leaders in charge of things like agricultural planning is also bad.

That said modern China is less socialist/communist than a weird state capitalism machine with a dictatorship.

One big difference to modern China vs USSR for example is instead of having 1-2 car companies churning out the cars the state demands, you have more of a competitive local government subsidized market. So they have 50+ car companies all competing in the local marketplace for sales, and eventually some good car companies have surfaced. This was never going to happen with Lada.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

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Post by steveBK123 »

mystraline wrote: post #221
0_____0 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the most obvious example of failure of Chinese central planning. That and one child policy were abysmal failures that resulted from shoddy science coupled to effective central authority. Look at the 12/13/14th 5 year plan (the most recently passed). Do you think they achieved their goals? If your headcanon is that the CCP is inept because they caused crop failures 60 years ago... you could stand to take a look…

Notice the go-to for capitalists against communism is "Look at how many people they killed!!!" No such metric is available for capitalist countries. Thats because its *always* an individual failure in capitalism, not political/societal. You CHOSE not to have healthcare. (You work 1099, or work a job that doesnt provide healthcare, due to tying job and health.) You CHOSE to go with UnitedHealthCare that denies 30% for…

"Under capitalism, man oppresses man. Under socialism, it's just the opposite"

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Post by yehat »

throwaway290 wrote: post #184
vkou wrote: post #176

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How many countries has China bombed in, say, the last year, and how does that compare to the other superpower (and the washed out has-been superpower) in the room? It's difficult to comprehend the gall and hypocrisy requires to kvetch about this when there are four carrier strike groups sitting in the Gulf right now .

what are you talking about? since when Samsung suddenly become American? how many did South Korea bomb?

dude, you're way too excited. I understand your sentiment, but it applies for everyone these days. Just depends which propaganda you like more.

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Post by zozbot234 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #225
impure-aqua wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if that tracks, senior leadership was heavily influenced towards implementing the one child policy by the works of Song Jian, who came from a rocketry background and presented a model whereby the population would grow to an unsustainable level unless corrective control was applied. I think it is unlikely philosophers would have suggested to treat population growth like tuning a PID controller.

A good read in this area is Dan Wang's book - Breakneck One could probably summarize it as having engineering leaders solve engineering problems is good, but they can very efficiently implement very bad social policies. Likewise having non-STEM leaders in charge of things like agricultural planning is also bad. That said modern China is less socialist/communist than a weird state capitalism machine with a dictatorshi…

> a weird state capitalism machine with a dictatorship.

That's not a completely new model, either - Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore all went through remarkably similar phases. Countries have tended to become freer and more democratic as they grow wealthy enough to build a sustainable middle-class and a genuine civil society that enjoys some basic independence from government.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

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Post by steveBK123 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #228
steveBK123 wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good read in this area is Dan Wang's book - Breakneck One could probably summarize it as having engineering leaders solve engineering problems is good, but they can very efficiently implement very bad social policies. Likewise having non-STEM leaders in charge of things like agricultural planning is also bad. That said modern China is less socialist/communist than a weird state capitalism machine with a dictatorshi…

> a weird state capitalism machine with a dictatorship. That's not a completely new model, either - Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore all went through remarkably similar phases. Countries have tended to become freer and more democratic as they grow wealthy enough to build a sustainable middle-class and a genuine civil society that enjoys some basic independence from government.

Yes, and thats where the west ended up going wrong in our line of thinking. The assumption was if we facilitated their transition into middle class economy / rich world standards via trade deals and offshoring.. they'd follow the same path as our now allies - JP/TW/SK/SG/etc.

That is - the assumption was democracy/civil liberties would follow wealth. This has not held up. And the promotion of Xi to supreme leader probably for life has if anything pulled them further away from that path. Things like the great firewall have helped him in that effort.

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Post by HauntingPin »

Yohvee7u wrote: post #199
HauntingPin wrote: post #192

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I thought the same but when I googled, the results disagreed with this point of view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy) All the laws listed there define dumping as something being sold below the "normal price" and there being some quantifiable harm being done to local industry of the country being exported to. So it has nothing to do necessarily with the cost of production, and based on this it c…

That's merely the marginalists at the WTO struggling to fit their beliefs that value is subjective and unkowable into the reality of commodity production.

Okay, so what official sources do you base your definition of price dumping on? Nobody is asking for your opinion on what you think price dumping is. This is a legally recognised thing, not just some random talking point.
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