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Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by frm88 »

kjksf wrote: post #117
netsharc wrote: post #99

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Because Poles and Romanians are "other" enough to be hated... Ironically Britain had then to "import" people from Asia, Africa to e.g. work in the hospitals. The foreigner-hate is so short-sighted. Your underpaid hospital worker, house cleaner, fruit picker, taxi driver, UberEats delivery is usually foreign, they don't mind working the exploitative conditions because for them the money is much better than home, provi…

First, they didn't have to. Crazy idea: educate more people, lower barriers to entry, hire people from poorer western countries and not Africa. Poland has hospitals staffed 100% by Polish people. What prevents UK from doing the same? Second, if immigration was only for skilled workers to plug shortages of certain skills, it would not be a problem. It's a problem because in 2025 estimated 41 thousand unskilled people,…

Poland has hospitals staffed 100% by Polish people.

Nope: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016885102...

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Post by roryirvine »

mmarq wrote: post #218
munksbeer wrote: post #186

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The irony is that in our experience, if you're old or a child, you're far more likely to be treated quickly on the NHS. Perhaps that isn't the whole story, maybe old people tend to have more life threatening conditions, so triage puts them first. But from my perspective, private health insurance is now mandatory in the UK if you're not old or a child, and I am even going to put my children on private health insurance…

The problem with this is that private health insurance is very cheap because there is an NHS that takes care of emergencies and does more than 50% of the rest. So your taxes keep your health insurance premia low. Otherwise a comprehensive health insurance wouldn’t cost 200£ a month per person (I just requested a quote from AXA, as a 45 year old with no health problems, adding all packages, unlimited specialist visits…

Yeah, there's a reason why it's a standard perk for tech employees - they're dirt cheap to insure.

I'm a bit older than you, and the taxable value of my PHI is £140/month. I've not looked into what that covers, or what the excess etc is, and have never even considered making use of it.

And why would I? When I needed treatment in a hurry, I was blue lighted to Barts and spent two weeks in their ITU getting world-class care free of charge, with not a single thought given to cost or having to call my insurer to ask permission for particular treatments or whatever. Thank fuck for the NHS!

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Post by akmarinov »

oliwarner wrote: post #196
HPsquared wrote: post #150

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I mean living standards. The size and quality of housing, quality of food, public spaces, infrastructure, healthcare, social conditions and so on that is available and affordable to the average working professional.

It depends if you fight for city jobs, doesn't it. We live semi-rural, 700sqm house, office and workshop on an acre. Fibre makes working from home easy. Kids' school is 500m up the road. Village is friendly. Healthcare is acceptable, paid through taxation. We don't worry about surprise bills. And 10 minutes away from a 1h train to London. I could absolutely earn more working in London but I'd be living in a shoebox o…

Yeah but companies want butts in seats in their offices, so not anyone can swing it

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Post by danaris »

raincole wrote: post #136
rswail wrote: post #100

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Except that is not happening with the current generations. The move from fiscal liberty to conservatism happened with previous generations because they accumulated assets like housing etc that they want to protect. The current millenial/GenZ generations are dealing with multiple economic crises during their career development, as well as property and other asset bubbles keeping them from accumulating the same assets…

> they accumulated assets like housing Which they'll eventually pass to their millennial offsprings when they die.

Unless they sell them to fund their twilight years in a nursing home, which can guzzle down your money like nothing else.

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Post by roysting »

geoka9 wrote: post #188
roysting wrote: post #54

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What makes you believe you have lost freedom of movement, I’ve met British people all over Europe. If I can meet a Russian living in Switzerland in Amsterdam and a British couple that took the ferry from the island, why are you not free to “move”? On a related note; do you enjoy what America is right now? Because centralizing power and handing your country’s (American states are/were/should be essentially countries)…

> The EU is right now talking about becoming a great military force _to fight Russia_ (emphasis mine) Correction: to not have to fight Russia. The EU falling apart is Putin's wet dream because he's very afraid of a confrontation with the whole bloc, and wants to subjugate the small European countries piecemeal (and yes, on their own, they would have to submit or face missiles/drones or, even worse, human meatwave att…

You really confirm my theory that we’ve had AGI for a long time now as you output the system’s propaganda with no thought of your own. You are effectively meat AI, trained and tuned.

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Post by davidguetta »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #129
davidguetta wrote: post #82

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Stopping is a long way from "actively encouraging it and calling racist everybody who disagree" (and actively hide horrific stuff like the rape gangs).

If the guy who was once second in line to the throne is in a rape gang, and that's been covered up for years, maybe it's not an immigrant thing.

The coverup in both cases is a crimes

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Post by [deleted] »

mikkupikku wrote: post #28
RealityVoid wrote: post #23

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Hmm, is it? Why do you think? I'm not saying it ain't so, but I wonder what signs I'm missing. I couldn't smell this one. Probably because, fundamentally, I find myself agreeing with it. I'm sure this contributes to me be being somewhat tone deaf.

He probably got triggered by those dashes. The comment lacks other obvious LLM clues, like its not just this but also that.

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Post by deaux »

mikkupikku wrote: post #28
RealityVoid wrote: post #23

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Hmm, is it? Why do you think? I'm not saying it ain't so, but I wonder what signs I'm missing. I couldn't smell this one. Probably because, fundamentally, I find myself agreeing with it. I'm sure this contributes to me be being somewhat tone deaf.

He probably got triggered by those dashes. The comment lacks other obvious LLM clues, like its not just this but also that.

> is often viewed not through a partisan lens, but as a tangible constraint on their mobility and agency.

Obvious tell.

> This demographic shift feels less like a temporary swing in sentiment and more like a fundamental realignment

Obvious tell.

> like its not just this but also that.

The above two are just that.

Along with the cadence, as mentioned by someone else.

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Post by Schmerika »

kasey_junk wrote: post #203
Schmerika wrote: post #144

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> this is far from a given. It's a given in Britain; ie, where we're talking about. > Mao's Red Guards were passionate idiots. Ok. And? > America's young men are in thrall of Clavicular. Clavicular? What? Were you trying to type Caligula - in which case, again, what ? American youth are far better voters than the elder generations - at least in terms of being against things like genocide, or in favor of things like u…

Clavicular is an influencer in a particularly cringy subculture called look maxing.

Thanks. Ugh, guy seems like an an absolute tool.

No more so than the older generation's various head melters though.

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