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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by lillecarl »

monero-xmr wrote: post #215
ceejayoz wrote: post #214

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> If there is no real penalty for being a career criminal, people will continue to be career criminals. I know this is a wild idea, but what if they had better options than career criminal for a living? Americans are so invested in the penalties they can’t imagine the incentives approach.

This may be hard to accept - but there are some people who can’t help themselves. They are career criminals and even when presented with honest work they still choose to commit crimes. There exist sociopaths who don’t feel empathy or remorse, and are driven by their own desires and needs regardless of the cost to other people and society. They cannot be rehabilitated. They need to be locked in a cage forever. Society…

Yeah there are people who can't help themselves, but they are a fraction of a fraction of the population. When presented with an honest and decent alternative the vast majority will choose it.

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Post by ceejayoz »

monero-xmr wrote: post #215
ceejayoz wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there is no real penalty for being a career criminal, people will continue to be career criminals. I know this is a wild idea, but what if they had better options than career criminal for a living? Americans are so invested in the penalties they can’t imagine the incentives approach.

This may be hard to accept - but there are some people who can’t help themselves. They are career criminals and even when presented with honest work they still choose to commit crimes. There exist sociopaths who don’t feel empathy or remorse, and are driven by their own desires and needs regardless of the cost to other people and society. They cannot be rehabilitated. They need to be locked in a cage forever. Society…

It’s not hard to accept.

They’re just a lot rarer than you imagine.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by monero-xmr »

lillecarl wrote: post #221
monero-xmr wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be hard to accept - but there are some people who can’t help themselves. They are career criminals and even when presented with honest work they still choose to commit crimes. There exist sociopaths who don’t feel empathy or remorse, and are driven by their own desires and needs regardless of the cost to other people and society. They cannot be rehabilitated. They need to be locked in a cage forever. Society…

Yeah there are people who can't help themselves, but they are a fraction of a fraction of the population. When presented with an honest and decent alternative the vast majority will choose it.

https://x.com/arthurmacwaters/status/2015533344914878923?s=4...

Maybe we just incarcerate you permanently once you have 31 arrests

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by sdkfjhdsjk »

bigiain wrote: post #139
stavros wrote: post #47

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Oof, I really hate this automated enforcement. Might be time to get a paintball gun.

Also here: "In NSW, paintball is classified as a "prohibited firearm" under the Firearms Act 1996. However, it can still be legally played under strict licensing conditions. Unlike in some states where it is more loosely regulated, players and operators in NSW must comply with a range of legal requirements to ensure safety and legality." These rules have changed, I think back before COVID they reclassified them as sp…

I remember reading about that back in the 90s as a kid here in the USA, in Action Pursuit Games magazine. They said semi-automatic paintball guns were illegal in Australia. I was like what kind of hellhole dystopia is that? Meanwhile at the local paintball field I remember this hillbilly had a fully automatic Angel when they came out. (The first electronic paintball gun.) He walked over to the treeline and emptied a hopper full of Brass Eagle paintballs into a tree in like 5 seconds. They all hit the tree at the exact same spot and vaporized into pink mist. Freedom, baby.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by sdkfjhdsjk »

monero-xmr wrote: post #215
ceejayoz wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there is no real penalty for being a career criminal, people will continue to be career criminals. I know this is a wild idea, but what if they had better options than career criminal for a living? Americans are so invested in the penalties they can’t imagine the incentives approach.

This may be hard to accept - but there are some people who can’t help themselves. They are career criminals and even when presented with honest work they still choose to commit crimes. There exist sociopaths who don’t feel empathy or remorse, and are driven by their own desires and needs regardless of the cost to other people and society. They cannot be rehabilitated. They need to be locked in a cage forever. Society…

Tell me more about the US government.

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Post by sdkfjhdsjk »

bagels wrote: post #195
roysting wrote: post #174

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Who do you think those people are that are incarcerated in the USA? I come across this rather frequently among people from sheltered backgrounds like those who graduated from mom and dad taking care of them, all the way through to Mega Corp/university taking care of them, and absolutely cannot fathom why everyone doesn’t just eat cake. I have a working theory that this effect, whatever one wants to call it, of people…

The real problem is people who don't want to be victims of crime, not the people doing the crime?

Now you're getting it. You have exactly identified the problem.

Instead of identifying and addressing the real problems--mass unemployment, homelessness, hopelessness--your dystopic "solution" is simply more and bigger jails, more and better armed cops with surveillance cameras attached, more laws, more weapons, more bondage and discipline, more "you will do what I say or else."

Doesn't work. Never works.

Read the essay "Fate of Empires" by Sir John Glubb to see how things this time are not in fact any different than what came before.

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Post by al_borland »

ceejayoz wrote: post #214
al_borland wrote: post #200

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If there is no real penalty for being a career criminal, people will continue to be career criminals. If someone knows they can rob people and get away with it, why would they do honest work for a living? What is your solution to prevent crime without incarceration as a possible outcome for people breaking the law… especially those who do it repeatedly? It’s easy to talk down to solutions being used today, but withou…

> If there is no real penalty for being a career criminal, people will continue to be career criminals. I know this is a wild idea, but what if they had better options than career criminal for a living? Americans are so invested in the penalties they can’t imagine the incentives approach.

I asked for a realistic alternative solution and you offered none, just more criticisms for the status quo.

There are already incentives for honest work… a paycheck, benefits, etc. Not to mention being a net positive to society. There is also the option to start a business, which has unlimited upside.

Some people put a lot of effort into breaking the law and making life worse for other people. If that effort was directed in a positive direction, they could be successful, without being a criminal.

This also goes for the white collar criminals that get a pass while running large companies or governments. If those efforts were directed in a better direction, life would also get better for everyone.

I wish there was as much sympathy for the victims as the criminals.

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Post by eudamoniac »

defrost wrote: post #136
foxglacier wrote: post #133

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> Can you name such a place with low crime, low incarceration rate, low surveillance, and importantly, low black population? Andorra and Finland both meet your four criteria.

He meant to say high black population

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Post by al_borland »

co_king_5 wrote: post #208
al_borland wrote: post #200

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If there is no real penalty for being a career criminal, people will continue to be career criminals. If someone knows they can rob people and get away with it, why would they do honest work for a living? What is your solution to prevent crime without incarceration as a possible outcome for people breaking the law… especially those who do it repeatedly? It’s easy to talk down to solutions being used today, but withou…

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You said incarceration is “neo slavery”. The base assumption is slavery is wrong.

So what should the penalty be?

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Post by co_king_5 »

monero-xmr wrote: post #213
co_king_5 wrote: post #209

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I’m glad you agree we need to aggressively prosecute violent crime, which is something that is not aggressively pursued in my large blue American city

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