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I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by coldtea »

bpodgursky wrote: post #26
mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

You guys can hate him, but Alex Karp of Palantir had the most honest take on this recently which was basically: "Yes, I would love to pause AI development, but unless we get China to do the same, we're f***, and there's no advantage unilaterally disarming" (not exact, but basically this) You can assume bad faith on the parts of all actors, but a lot of people in AI feel similarly.

"I would love to stop getting your money, but consider the children/China/some disaster/various scenarios. That's why you should continue to shower me with billions".

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Post by whateveracct »

mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

> the customers are investors and CEOs

100%. i have a basically unlimited Claude balance at work. I do not think of cost except for fun. CEO thinks every engineer has to use AI because nobody is gonna just be using text editors alone in the future.

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Post by biophysboy »

bpodgursky wrote: post #211
biophysboy wrote: post #202

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Its rhetoric - he gains your support. He doesn't want to shut it down.

You should really step back and think, maybe you've spun a very complicated web of beliefs on top of your own eyes. Yes, maybe everyone is playing 8 dimensional chess and every offhand comment is a subtle play for credibility. Or maybe sometimes people just say what they think.

This is what I think:

- Alex Karp genuinely believes China is a threat

- I think China is an economic threat, especially for tech

- An AI arms race is itself threatening; it is not like the nuclear deterrent

- Geopolitical tensions are very convenient for Alex Karp

- America has a history of exaggerating geopolitical threats

- Tech is very credulous with politics

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Post by coldtea »

bpodgursky wrote: post #187
biophysboy wrote: post #165

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The reason you think its honest is because you already believed it.

What does he gain by saying "Yes I'd love to shut all of this down"?

He gets to pretend to be impartial ("sure, I've love to shut this down and lose the billions coming my way"),

and by pretending that he has no option but to "go against his own will" and continue it, he gets to make it sound nuclear-bomb-level important.

This is hyping 101.

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Post by coldtea »

bpodgursky wrote: post #211
biophysboy wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its rhetoric - he gains your support. He doesn't want to shut it down.

You should really step back and think, maybe you've spun a very complicated web of beliefs on top of your own eyes. Yes, maybe everyone is playing 8 dimensional chess and every offhand comment is a subtle play for credibility. Or maybe sometimes people just say what they think.

"This late night informercial guy is not genuinely believing the product to be amazing, he's just saying shit to sell it"

"Yes, maybe everyone is playing 8 dimensional chess and every offhand comment is a subtle play for credibility. Or maybe sometimes people just say what they think".

I mean, dude, a corporate head having a conflict of interest in saying insincere shit to promote the stuff his company makes is not some conspiracy thinking about everybody playing "8 dimensional chess".

It's the very basic baseline case.

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Post by bitwize »

The AI bubble is almost exactly like Theranos. I honestly believe that Elizabeth Holmes believed in what she was doing, and that if she strung investors along for long enough, she could fund the development of her magical nanofluidic CGM on steroids. She didn't have the knowledge to pull it off, nor to know that everybody else was far from pulling it off, and she Dunning-Kruger'd herself into a situation where the jig was up and she was caught.

The difference is, with AI, it looks like they're really pulling it together and delivering something. For years it was "any minute now, this is gonna change everything, keep giving us money please" and it was all amusing but not-worth-the-hassle chatbots until recently, but Professor Harold Hill came through in the clutch and put together a band that can play something resembling music at the latest possible moment. And now we have agents that can do real work and the distinct possibility that the hermetic magicians might actually awaken their electronic god.

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Post by moron4hire »

steve1977 wrote: post #189
OptionOfT wrote: post #176

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FOMO was literally built in into Bitcoin. In the beginning it was a lot easier, and then it slowly gets harder. But what I really hate about AI and how most people talk about it is that if one day it does what the advertisements say, all white collar jobs collapse.

> all white collar jobs collapse Then everything collapses. The carpenter will also be out of work if more than half of his client base cannot afford his work anymore.

This idea doesn't sit well with me. Like, I recognize it very likely could happen, but it feels kind of like a dumb magic trick. Like learning economy goes up because people generally believe economy should go up.

If everyone is out of a job, then what is the point of the economy? Who is doing what work for whom? If nobody can afford anything, then why are we even doing this?

And, at some point, needs have to be met. If you were to drop 1000 random people on a remote island, you wouldn't expect nothing to happen just because there aren't any employers with jobs to hire people to do. People would spontaneously organize for survival and a local economy would form.

I find depictions of post-apocalyptic societies in sci-fi to be difficult to accept, too. Like Elysium: how could the entire Earth be an underclass, yet the space station needs them to work to be able to survive? That would be the easiest siege warfare of all time; do literally nothing and the space station eventually starves to death. Like Fallout: how could places stay completely run down for centuries? You mean to tell me that nobody would at least start a scrap yard and start cleaning up the old baby buggies and scrap metal from burnt out hulks of cars?

And then grown-ass adults tell stories about what could happen as if they are experts in Economy. Nobody knows how Economy work. Hell, half the Nobel prizes in economics in the last decade have basically been about proving the stupid, fairytale version of economics that existed for the last 100 years was a complete farce.

Yeah, I can definitely see a market collapse leading to a lot of mortgages getting foreclosed. But a complete shutdown? It seems preposterous. How? Why would everyone go along with it?

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Post by Balinares »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #159
bpodgursky wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You guys can hate him, but Alex Karp of Palantir had the most honest take on this recently which was basically: "Yes, I would love to pause AI development, but unless we get China to do the same, we're f***, and there's no advantage unilaterally disarming" (not exact, but basically this) You can assume bad faith on the parts of all actors, but a lot of people in AI feel similarly.

HN has become so marxist they hate the country they live in

Oh no! What a pity. In hindsight, mind you, countries that treat their population like disposable labor units to be wrung dry and then discarded, tend to see the population develop opinions about that eventually.

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Post by notpachet »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #164
SL61 wrote: post #138

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This has been the message at the F100 that one of my relatives works at. The CEO's increasingly aggressive message to their hundreds of thousands of employees is that they should figure out how to get 10x faster with AI or their job is on the line. The average non-technical white collar employee doesn't know the details of how LLMs work or any of the day-to-day changes in tooling that we see in the tech industry. All…

I do love that. My career is built on people not knowing how to Google lmao (IT) To most people, AI is chatGTP. Maybe Gemini. Claude? No idea. VS Code, Cursor, Antigraivity, Claude Code? Blank stares. Same as when the computer came, some will fall behind. Excel monkeys copy pasting numbers will go, copywriters, written word jobs = already gone. Art for simple images = AI now all done by one person. Unless you want a…

> Unless you want a Soviet system where jobs are kept to keep people busy.

There's an argument that even under capitalism, a lot of jobs still only exist in order to keep people busy.

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Post by verdverm »

mullingitover wrote: post #135
verdverm wrote: post #52

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Where were the massive devastating wars last time this happened with the internet and mobile phone?

The internet and mobile phones weren't paradigm shifts for warfare. There were already mobile radios in WWII, so they fall under the 'industrialized manufacturing of electronics' bucket.

You might look at what Ukraine is doing with mobile phones, satellite internet, and now Ai

Drones change everything we think we know about warfare, except for adage that logistics is what wins wars (post industrialization)

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