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Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Working at Microsoft, I've just now hooked up to Claude Code (my department was not permitted to use it previously), through something called "Agent Maestro", a vscode extension which I guess pipes claude code API requets to our internally hosted Claude models, including Opus 4.6. I do wonder if there is going to be much of a difference between using Claude Code vs. Copilot CLI when using the same models.

I honestly don’t think the models are as important as people tend to believe. More important is how the models are given tools - find, grep, git, test runners, …

> I honestly don’t think the models are as important as people tend to believe.

I tend to disagree. While I don't see meaningful _reasoning power_ between frontier models, I do see differences in the way they interact with my prompts.

I use exclusively Anthropic models because my interactions with GPT are annoying:

- Sonnet/Opus behave like a mix of a diligent intern, or a peer. It does the work, doesn't talk too much, gives answers, etc.

- GPT is overly chatty, it borderline calls me "bro", tend to brush issues I raise "it should be good enough for general use", etc.

- I find that GPT hardly ever steps back when diagnosing issues. It picks a possible cause, and enters a rabbit hole of increasingly hacky / spurious solutions. Opus/Sonnet is often to step back when the complexity increases too much, and dig an alternative.

- I find Opus/Sonnet to be "lazy" recently. Instead of systematically doing an accurate search before answering, it tries to "guess", and I have to spot it and directly tell it to "search for the precise specification and do not guess". Often it would tell me "you should do this and that", and I have to tell it "no, you do it". I wonder if it was done to reduce the number of web searches or compute that it uses unless the user explicitly asks.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#223

Working at Microsoft, I've just now hooked up to Claude Code (my department was not permitted to use it previously), through something called "Agent Maestro", a vscode extension which I guess pipes claude code API requets to our internally hosted Claude models, including Opus 4.6. I do wonder if there is going to be much of a difference between using Claude Code vs. Copilot CLI when using the same models.

Compare their system prompts and the agent harness logic. It's 99% of what makes the agent useful, and it can be quite different.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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post #74

There are a lot of non developer claude code users these days. The hype about vibe coding lets everyone think they can now be an engineer. Problem is if anthropic caters to that crowd the devs that are using it to do somewhat serious engineering tasks and don't believe in the "run an army of parallel agents and pray" methodology are being alienated. Maybe Claude Code web or desktop could be targeted to these new vibe…

It’s funny because on one end of the spectrum you have non dev vibe coders for whom every log is noise On the other end are the hardcore user orchestrating a bunch of agents, not sitting there watching one run, so they don’t care about these logs at all In the middle are the engineers sitting there watching the agent go

Logs (and in this case, Verbose Mode) aren't for knowing what a thing is currently doing as its doing it, it's for finding out what happened when the thing didn't do what you expected or wanted.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The use of inflection point in the entire software industry is so annoying and cringy. It's never used correctly, it's not even used correctly in the Claude post everyone is referencing.

What euphemism better describes the trend?

If it's a trend, there's not an inflection point. The inflection point would be a point where the trend breaks.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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post #208

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Also product manager here. Not at all cynically, this is classic product management - simplify by removing information that is useful to some users but not others. We shouldn't be over it by now. It's good to think carefully about how you're using space in your UI and what you're presenting to the user. You're saying it's bad because they removed useful information, but then why isn't Anthropic's suggestion of using…

Developer> This is important information and most developers want to see it. PM1> Looks like a PM who is out of touch with what the developers want. Easy mistake to make. PM2> Anthropic knows better than this developer. The developer is probably wrong. I don't know for sure what the best decision is here, I've barely used CC. Neither does PM1 nor PM2, but PM2 is being awfully dismissive of the opinion of a user in th…

> Personally, I get creeped out by how many things CC is doing and tokens it's burning in the background. It has a strong "trust me bro" vibe that I dislike.

100% this.

It might be convenient to hide information from non-technical users; but software engineers need to know what is happening. If it is not visible by default, it should be configurable via dotfiles.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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> That’s it. “Read 3 files.” Which files? Doesn’t matter. “Searched for 1 pattern.” What pattern? Who cares. Product manager here. Cynically, this is classic product management: simplify and remove useful information under the guise of 'improving the user experience' or perhaps minimalism if you're more overt about your influences. It's something that as an industry we should be over by now. It requires deep understa…

Also product manager here. Not at all cynically, this is classic product management - simplify by removing information that is useful to some users but not others. We shouldn't be over it by now. It's good to think carefully about how you're using space in your UI and what you're presenting to the user. You're saying it's bad because they removed useful information, but then why isn't Anthropic's suggestion of using…

They know what people type into their tools, but they don't know what in the output users read and focus on unless they're convening a user study or focus group.

I personally love that the model tells me what file it has read because I know whether or not it's headed in the generally right direction that I intended. Anthropic has no way of knowing I feel this way.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#228

My last experience with Claude support was a fun merry go round. I had used a Visa card to buy monthly Pro subscription. One day I ran out of credits so I go to buy extra credit. But my card is declined. I recheck my card limit and try again. Still declined. To test the card I try extending the Pro subscription. It works. That's when I notice that my card has a security feature called "Secure by Visa". To complete tr…

I guarantee you talked to a chat bot. There are no human support agents anywhere anymore.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

#229

> That’s it. “Read 3 files.” Which files? Doesn’t matter. “Searched for 1 pattern.” What pattern? Who cares. Product manager here. Cynically, this is classic product management: simplify and remove useful information under the guise of 'improving the user experience' or perhaps minimalism if you're more overt about your influences. It's something that as an industry we should be over by now. It requires deep understa…

> Cynically, this is classic product management: simplify and remove useful information under the guise of 'improving the user experience' or perhaps minimalism if you're more overt about your influences.

Cynically, it's a vibe coded mess and the "programmers" at Anthropic can't figure out how to put it back.

More cynically, Anthropic management is trying to hide anything that people could map to token count (aka money) so that they can start jiggling the usage numbers to extract more money from us.

Re: Claude Code is being dumbed down?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then you pay for the less outrageously subsidized rates of API instead of the a bit less incredibly generous prices of the subscription.

Its not subsidized, in fact, they probably have very healthy margins on Claude Code.

Why do you think that?
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