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Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by sneak »

linkregister wrote: post #67
ceejayoz wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They certainly don't allow ICE to enter a private abode. I'd just note that ICE is (falsely) claiming otherwise these days. https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-... "Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a s…

Indeed, law enforcement officers frequently lie about laws in order to accomplish their goals. This erodes public trust in law enforcement. As a society we should structure incentives such that agents of the government should be exposed to the externalities resulting from their actions.

> As a society we should structure incentives such that agents of the government should be exposed to the externalities resulting from their actions.

That’s the most oblique way of writing “lock and load” that I’ve ever seen.

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Post by ModernMech »

shevy-java wrote: post #110
legitster wrote: post #32

So I don't think I actually have a problem with businesses handing over their customer data if there is a valid warrant or subpoena. That's the system working as intended. The main crux of the problem here is that the DHS has been granted a wide berth by congress to issue administrative subpoenas - i.e. not reviewed by a real judge and not directed at criminals. In "good" times this made investigations run smoothly.…

I don't see how what has been described here as "the system works as intended". A free state should not be able to sniff after people for made up reasons.

> A free state should not be able to sniff after people for made up reasons.

Right, exactly -- a free state should not do that, yet the system is working as intended, therefore we do not live in a free state. It's time to accept that.

Re: Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist Credit Card Number

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Post by sneak »

Anonbrit wrote: post #20
x1ph0z wrote: post #17

What are some ways users can insulate themselves from something like this?

Don't use products from large US tech companies? Apple has a slightly better track record than Google of fighting this stuff, but ultimately if you're using a product from a US tech company then it's likely ICE can get their grubby little mitts on everything that company knows about you

No they do not. Apple intentionally preserves backdoors in the e2ee of iMessage (via iCloud Backup) to aid the FBI.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-apple-droppe...

(the opt-in e2ee for iCloud Backups is irrelevant - approximately nobody turns it on, so everyone you talk to is leaking all of your chats.)

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Post by reliabilityguy »

michaelteter wrote: post #198
reliabilityguy wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Probably referring to this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/seamus-cul...

This guy had an order of removal, so he seems to be a valid person to detain and deport, no?

Edit: the more I read about it, the more I am convinced he is not a "literally everyone" case.

He was in the US for 20 years, and had no green card. He has work authorization, which means he probably got it as part of the i485 application to get a green card due to his marriage. Other publications report that he came to the US on a tourist waiver visa program, and overstayed. So, what was his status all these years?

No wonder the trust in media is all time low -- this article did a sloppy job to paint a specific picture, and this picture has a bunch of holes in it.

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Post by sneak »

Nextgrid wrote: post #78
Anonbrit wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't use products from large US tech companies? Apple has a slightly better track record than Google of fighting this stuff, but ultimately if you're using a product from a US tech company then it's likely ICE can get their grubby little mitts on everything that company knows about you

Alternatively, use them pseudonymously? There's little reason any of these companies need to know your real identity. This will both reduce the likelihood of ICE finding your account from a real-life interaction, as well as reduce the likelihood of ICE finding your real-life identity if they do get your account data (they'd at least need to dig through it more than just going by first/last name on the account itself)…

You can’t do that. If you think you can, you haven’t tried recently.

They all require phone numbers, and they almost all require phone numbers tied to ID-based names. They require CC even when you aren’t buying stuff. It’s very difficult even for experts to achieve truly pseudonymous use.

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Post by reliabilityguy »

baconbrand wrote: post #208
reliabilityguy wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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https://youtu.be/e4X0hI40a8A Just a handful of examples from last year. As a resident of Minneapolis I can assure you it is much, much worse than these few examples. Are you not familiar with Liam Conejo Ramos? Or Kilmar Abrego Garcia? Just two other high profile cases, but this is far more prevalent than any reporting has outlined. Three of Liam’s classmates were also “mistakenly” shipped to Texas and returned. At l…

I am not familiar with the first one, but the second one is not a clear cut and not “everyone”.

Regardless, there is a huge gap between “literally everyone” and individuals who are not a slum dunk citizens, but have questionable status.

Regardless, I think this kind of sensationalism desensitizes the public to the point when no one cares.

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Post by kernal »

lenerdenator wrote: post #215
shevy-java wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how what has been described here as "the system works as intended". A free state should not be able to sniff after people for made up reasons.

Ultimately, whether or not people are able to do anything involves consequences for their actions. There's the "three" boxes of liberty that are meant to give a framework for how humans in a society are to introduce consequences to state actors who abuse rights: the soap box, the ballot box, and the jury box. So we need to start using at least those three to prevent human rights abuses with regard to search warrants.

What about the consequences for the people that let in millions of illegal aliens with criminal records that harmed and killed Americans? Should those politicians be charged as accessories?

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Post by Nextgrid »

sneak wrote: post #226
Nextgrid wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively, use them pseudonymously? There's little reason any of these companies need to know your real identity. This will both reduce the likelihood of ICE finding your account from a real-life interaction, as well as reduce the likelihood of ICE finding your real-life identity if they do get your account data (they'd at least need to dig through it more than just going by first/last name on the account itself)…

You can’t do that. If you think you can, you haven’t tried recently. They all require phone numbers, and they almost all require phone numbers tied to ID-based names. They require CC even when you aren’t buying stuff. It’s very difficult even for experts to achieve truly pseudonymous use.

A prepaid SIM or burner phone can still be purchased no? I believe the CC requirement can be bypassed if you create your Apple ID from trying to "purchase" a free app (or for the accounts that do require payment, I wonder if a gift card can be used).
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