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+1. I've tried many times, and failed, to replicate the joy of using that toolchain.
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We had an effort recently where one much more experienced dev from our company ran Claude on our oldish codebase for one system, with the goal of transforming it into newer structure, newer libraries etc. while preserving various built in functionalities. Not the first time this guy did such a thing and he is supposed to be an expert. I took a look at the result and its maybe half of stuff missing completely, rest is…
Not to take away from your experience but to offer a counterpoint. I used claude code to port rust pdb parsing library to typescript. My SumatraPDF is a large C++ app and I wanted visibility into where does the size of functions / data go, layout of classes. So I wanted to build a tool to dump info out of a PDB. But I have been diagnosed with extreme case of Rustophobiatis so I just can't touch rust code. Hence, the…
Translating a vibe is something the Ur-LLMS (GPT3 etc) were very good at so it’s not entirely surprising that the current state of the art is to be found in things of a “translate thing X that already exists into context Y” nature.
> I deeply appreciate hand-tool carpentry and mastery of the art, but people need houses and framing teams should obviously have skillsaws. Where are all the new houses? I admit I am not a bleeding edge seeker when it comes to software consumption, but surely a 10x increase in the industry output would be noticeable to anyone?
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My take is more optimistic. I think it will make prototyping and MVP more accessible to a wider range of people than before. This goes all the way from people who don't know how to code up to people who know very well how to code, but don't have the free time/energy to pursue every idea. Project activation energy decreases. I think this is a net positive, as it allows more and different things to be started. I'm sure…
What you just said seems reasonable. However, what the earlier commenter said, which led to this subthread, seems unreasonable: those people unwilling to try the tools "are absolutely going to get left in the dust." Returning to the iOS analogy, though, there was only a short period of time in history when a random developer with a flashlight or fart app could become successful in the App Store. Nowadays, such a new…
Yeah, it’s a bit incendiary, I just wanted to turn it into a more useful conversation.
I also think it overstates the case, but I do think it’s an opportunity.
It’s not just that the barrier to entry has been lowered (which it has) but that someone with a lot of existing skill can leverage that. Not everyone can bring that to the table, and not everyone who can is doing so. That’s the current advantage (in my opinion, of course).
All that said, I thought the Vision Pro was going to usher in a new era of computing, so I’m not much of a prognosticator.
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To me the hard problem isn’t building things, it’s knowing what to build (finding the things that provide value) and how to build it (e.g. finding novel approaches to doing something that makes something possible that wasn’t possible before). I don’t see AI helping with knowing what to build at all and I also don’t see AI finding novel approaches to anything. Sure, I do think there is some unrealized potential somewh…
For m, I'm demotivated to work on many ideas thinking that anyone can easily copy it or OpenClaw/Nanobot will easily replicate 90% of that unctionality. So now need to think of different kind of ideas, something on line of games that may take multiple iteration to get perfected.
I mean this is how it's always been throughout history.
Creating something new is hard, copying something in terms of energy spent, is far easier. This is software or physical objects that don't require massive amounts of expensive technology to reproduce.
> I deeply appreciate hand-tool carpentry and mastery of the art, but people need houses and framing teams should obviously have skillsaws. Where are all the new houses? I admit I am not a bleeding edge seeker when it comes to software consumption, but surely a 10x increase in the industry output would be noticeable to anyone?
The real outcome is mostly a change in workflow and a reasonable increase in throughput. There might be a 10x or even 100x increase in creation of tiny tools or apps (yay to another 1000 budget assistant/egg timer/etc. apps on the app/play store), but hardly something one would notice. To be honest, I think the surrounding paragraph lumps together all anti-AI sentiments. For example, there is a big difference between…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
>The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.
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I promise you you're just going to continue to light money on fire. Don't fall for this token madness, the bigger your project gets, the less capable the llm will get and the more you spend per request on average. This is literally all marketing tricks by inference providers. Save your money and code it yourself, or use very inexpensive llm methods if you must. I think we are going to start hearing stories of people…
Compared to the salary I loose by not taking a consulting gig for half a year, these $800 arent't all that much. (I guess depending on definition of bootstrap, mine might not be, as I support myself with saved consulting income.) Startup is a gamble with or without the LLM costs. I have been coding for 20 years, I have a good feel for how much time I would have spent without LLM assistance. And if LLMs vanish from th…
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I actually do build all of those things before standing something up in prod. Not doing that is insane. Literally every web framework has reasonable defaults baked in. Any competent tech company will have canned ways to do all of those things that have already been reviewed and vetted
I never said anything about before hitting production, I said do you build everything in one shot when you start a brand new project, in one sitting.
Anyways, yes, if I know I'm gonna need it? Because every framework has reasonable defaults or libraries for all of those things, and if you're in a corporate environment, you have vetted ways of doing them
1. import middleware.whatever
2. configure it
3. done
Like, you don't write these things unless you need custom behavior.
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> are you an AI? no, I'm a competent engineer maybe you've not worked with any
So let me get this straight, you get instructed to build an Instagram clone, and you sit down and one shot code every single feature for the project? My point is about in one sitting, doing EVERYTHING all at once, without pausing, without standing up, without breaks. I don't know about you but people who tend to rush code out make just as many if not worse mistakes than AI does. I've worked with many competent engine…
Bullshit you can lol. If it's that trivial, create an instagram right now and post the code.
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What you just said seems reasonable. However, what the earlier commenter said, which led to this subthread, seems unreasonable: those people unwilling to try the tools "are absolutely going to get left in the dust." Returning to the iOS analogy, though, there was only a short period of time in history when a random developer with a flashlight or fart app could become successful in the App Store. Nowadays, such a new…
> In any case, there's a huge difference between "the barrier to entry has been lowered" and "those who don't use LLMs will be left in the dust". I think the latter is ridiculous. Yeah, it’s a bit incendiary, I just wanted to turn it into a more useful conversation. I also think it overstates the case, but I do think it’s an opportunity. It’s not just that the barrier to entry has been lowered (which it has) but that…
> I also think it overstates the case
I think it's a mistake to defend and/or "reinterpret" the hype, which is not helping to promote the technology to people who aren't bandwagoners. If anything, it drives them away. It's a red flag.
I wish you would just say to the previous commenter, hey, you appear to be exaggerating, and that's not a good idea.