France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

Post by sirwitti » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 8:05 PM UTC

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>and no significant large technology companies I have to do my patriotic duty to remind you that SAP is the 6th/7th largest software company in the world by market cap. I know not as exiting as notepad with AI but they do exist. That said US software giants are a disease for democratic societies. If Europe wants software sovereignty we don't need "significant large software companies" we need a hundred medium sized o…

> If Europe wants software sovereignty we don't need "significant large software companies" we need a hundred medium sized ones that reflect the diversity of the dozens of nations on the continent...Europe needs in fact to be more ambitious than to build its own Microsoft. We need a genuinely open ecosystem which is not going to have as its goal to extract value out of its users. Sure, but can you be honest and admit…

Post by ReptileMan » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 8:07 PM UTC

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>Most of Europe did just fine with state owned telecommunication companies which lasted well into the 1990s or even the 2000s. Early 2000s were the times when 50Mbit in Eastern Europe when it was the wild west cost 10eur/month through lan cable and in Western Europe ADSL and ISDN cost multitude of the cost for fraction of the speed.

Early 2000s is exactly the time period when telecommunications companies in Europe were well on their way to privatization, if not already fully privatized. You are proving my point.

Post by calgoo » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 8:08 PM UTC

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As someone who has gone from 100% Slack in startups to all-in Teams in big corpo, I disagree. Teams won't even display all office file formats without you having to open the dedicated app. And if it does it's usually a half-baked browser mess. And don't even get me started on the UX or meeting options or mobile support or the complete lack of a dedicated Linux client. I don't need one app to do everything half-assed,…

It’s not why your big corp chooses teams and the msft suite. From a corp perspective they don’t care about your edge case. There’s only - is it good for 90% of my use cases across the enterprise? And - do I get a bundle discount? Last but not the least - do I need to expend developer resources on it vs anything else? Yeah, there is half assed stuff. But it’s not what most of the big corp uses anyway. So your little d…

Post by dariosalvi78 » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 8:10 PM UTC

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leaders that ignored the potential to set up homegrown cloud providers, software suites or tech companies Remarkable how it is the politicans who should have been doing this when it doesn't get done, and how everyone is quick to complain if politicians meddle in what the private sector should have been doing. This is a recurring theme in a lot of debates. And I think it has to do with our need to blame someone but ou…

I don't think anybody expected EU politicians to create the software companies When we speak of the failure of EU politicians, it has been in removing the barriers in their own market to even develop successful technology companies given all the highly educated local talent (they have a larger population than the US!). The lack of a single capital market, no single regulatory market, no single language market, hilari…

Post by Am4TIfIsER0ppos » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 8:12 PM UTC

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As an American, I will echo Trump's speech at Davos. We want strong allies, not vassals. Be capable of building your own EVs, your own rockets, your own fighter jets, your own subway systems, your own zoom alternatives, your own search engines, your own operating systems, etc etc. Make Europe great again. Bring back creativity. Bring back jobs. Build a talented workforce that stays local instead of migrating to the U…

Patronizing rubbish. The EU builds plenty of EVs, rockets and fighter jets and has far more subway systems and public transport than the US. Europe is already great. It's why hundreds of thousands of Americans moved here in 2025. As for being a vassal: Trump was warned of the consequences of invading Greenland and he backed down immediately. Some vassal.