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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by niemandhier »

KaiserPro wrote: post #211
stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Gather evidence. I assume that they have opened a formal investigation and are now going to the office to collect/perloin evidence before it's destroyed. Most FAANG companies have training specifically for this. I assume X doesn't anymore, because they are cool and edgy, and staff training is for the woke.

If that training involves destroying evidence or withholding evidence from the prosecution, you are going to jail if you follow it.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by layer8 »

verdverm wrote: post #152
flohofwoe wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates? Given his recent "far right" bromance that's probably not a good idea ;)

It hadn't occurred to me that might be the reason they picked 420

It’s unlikely, because putting the month first is a US thing. In France it would be 20/04, or “20 avril”.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by [deleted] »

chrisjj wrote: post #91
logicchains wrote: post #39

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The point of banning real CSAM is to stop the production of it, because the production is inherently harmful. The production of AI or human generated CSAM-like images does not inherently require the harm of children, so it's fundamentally a different consideration. That's why some countries, notably Japan, allow the production of hand-drawn material that in the US would be considered CSAM.

> The point of banning real CSAM is to stop the production of it, because the production is inherently harmful. The production of AI or human generated CSAM-like images does not inherently require the harm of children, so it's fundamentally a different consideration. Quite. > That's why some countries, notably Japan, allow the production of hand-drawn material that in the US would be considered CSAM. Really? By what…

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by SilverElfin »

phasnox wrote: post #196
SilverElfin wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Far right to me is advocating for things that discriminate based on protected traits like race, sex, etc. So if you’re advocating for “white culture” above others, that’s far right. If you’re advocating for the 19th amendment (women’s right to vote) to be repealed (as Nick Fuentes and similar influencers do), that’s also far right. Advocating for ICE to terrorize peaceful residents, violate constitutional rights, or…

By your definition Musk is not far right. > Avoiding the deeply unethical grifting and corruption the Trump administration has normalized. Care to give examples of these?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/trumps-pr...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by hn_go_brrrrr »

niemandhier wrote: post #221
KaiserPro wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gather evidence. I assume that they have opened a formal investigation and are now going to the office to collect/perloin evidence before it's destroyed. Most FAANG companies have training specifically for this. I assume X doesn't anymore, because they are cool and edgy, and staff training is for the woke.

If that training involves destroying evidence or withholding evidence from the prosecution, you are going to jail if you follow it.

What a strange assumption. The training is "summon the lawyers immediately", "ensure they're accompanied at all times while on company premises", etc.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by Pedro_Ribeiro »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #218
kouteiheika wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not talking about video editing software; that's a different class of software. I'm talking about other generative AI models, which you can download today onto your computer, and have it do the same thing as Grok does. > How is this exoneration? I don't know; you tell me where I said it was? I'm just stating a fact that Grok isn't unique here, and if you want to ban Grok because of it then you need to also ban op…

> that's a different class of software. I'm talking about other generative AI models And the article is talking about a social media site. A different class of software and company. > if you want to ban Grok Straw man. Nobody has suggested this.

I think he is talking about France who does very much seem like they want to ban X and Grok?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by niemandhier »

stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence.

Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care.

That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France.

We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.

The same way the president of the USA can order a Drone strike on a Taliban war lord, the president of France could order Musks plane to be escorted to Paris by 3 Fighter jets.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by DaSHacka »

why_at wrote: post #207
verdverm wrote: post #123

France24 article on this: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260203-paris-prosecutor... lol, they summoned Elon for a hearing on 420 "Summons for voluntary interviews on April 20, 2026, in Paris have been sent to Mr. Elon Musk and Ms. Linda Yaccarino, in their capacity as de facto and de jure managers of the X platform at the time of the events,

>The Paris prosecutor's office said it launched the investigation after being contacted by a lawmaker alleging that biased algorithms in X were likely to have distorted the operation of an automated data processing system. I'm not at all familiar with French law, and I don't have any sympathy for Elon Musk or X. That said, is this a crime? Distorted the operation how? By making their chatbot more likely to say stupid…

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