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Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by themafia »

epistasis wrote: post #202
themafia wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a country changes course every four years Dozens of new GW+ wind farms came online in the last four years. This concerns a few projects in a few particular locations that are exposed to federal interference. It has impacts on the market but the market is larger than these minor disturbances by an order of magnitude. > while keeping the focus on long-term ideas and plans. We have private business in this country.…

Private industry is not doing just fine, it's barely holding on due to massive uncertainty caused by erratic tariffs and farcical government overreach and direct meddling with corporations. All from Trump and his supporters, who are very nationalist but also appear to love socialism when it is national, such as with a 10% purchase of Intel by the US government. If the Fed falls and monetary policy is subject to the p…

> it's barely holding on

Where are you deriving this from?

> is best represented by the meme

Ah.. well that offers a guess.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by themafia »

hvb2 wrote: post #197
themafia wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a country changes course every four years Dozens of new GW+ wind farms came online in the last four years. This concerns a few projects in a few particular locations that are exposed to federal interference. It has impacts on the market but the market is larger than these minor disturbances by an order of magnitude. > while keeping the focus on long-term ideas and plans. We have private business in this country.…

> Dozens of new GW+ wind farms came online in the last four years. Thats not that much is it given the size and energy demand of the country? And that's over the past 4 years, you'll only see the true impact of this in the next 6 years. > This concerns a few projects in a few particular locations that are exposed to federal interference Markets are driven by a lot of feelings too. If you're trying to build a wind far…

> Thats not that much is it given the size and energy demand of the country?

What is it relative to these 5 projects?

> you'll only see the true impact of this in the next 6 years.

Are these the _only_ new projects that could _possibly_ be built in that time frame?

> a lot of feelings too

The feelings of those with money not of the general population.

> If you're trying to build a wind farm now, why on earth would you do that in the US?

You just said. "The size and energy demand of the country." Or are you proposing that no one would build unless we remove absolutely all risk for them? I'm not sure you and I mean the same thing when saying "private business."

> happily skip over the US

I believe this is a worn out trope. Please show some evidence this has actually occurred.

> find a place where your investment is wanted

Ah.. the "amazonification" of America. "Businesses shouldn't compete or take risks!" You seem to say. We must bend over and make them happy before they can deign to take our dollars. Perfectly modern and utterly ridiculous.

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Post by hgomersall »

monting wrote: post #210
viccis wrote: post #195

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More cope. "They eliminated poverty... but at WHAT COST? They did good things but they trampled on the intellectual property of our beloved billionares ? *sob*"

The "good thing" they did, is stopping their actions which causes millions to starve. Which lead to people getting themselves out of poverty.

Yeah, and whilst getting themselves out of poverty they built 50,000km of high speed rail.

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Post by hgomersall »

nebula8804 wrote: post #214
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #167

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There are not in fact millions of people who want to burn the world just to spite others. If you truly believe that then you have really failed to understand people around you, and should try to better empathize. As a rule, people do what they do because they believe it to be the right thing. They might be misguided in that belief, of course, but the idea of millions of people deciding on a cartoonishly evil course o…

I have an interesting perspective because my town is currently being sued by the state for years of secret discrimination by police and authority(my neighbors obviously voted strongly MAGA) so its an interesting hard right perspective. After sitting and observing my local town's MAGA base for the better part of two years straight(by attending town meetings and joining all their facebook groups) it is clear that there…

I'm strongly of the opinion that we're seeing the consequence of 40 years of neoliberalism in which there's no longer any political objective of actually improving things for normal people, just hoping the private sector will sort things out.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by cm2187 »

pwarner wrote: post #146
igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

I'm not advocating their system, but here's one pro for China obviously.

It's a double edge sword. If the Boss has decided that the country should do X, it's much harder to make him reverse course if it's a bad direction. Zero covid and return to good old communism are two recent examples. For all their flaws and ineffectiveness, democracies are self correcting.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

monero-xmr wrote: post #65
bronson wrote: post #61

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Neither is petroleum, nuclear, or the highway system. What's your point?

Wind is the worst of all, otherwise the UK would have the cheapest energy in the West, instead of the highest

They effectively banned onshore wind for a decade in England just as it became the cheapest source of electricity available to them.

It's neat how right-wing sabotage feeds ino the next cycle of propaganda to support more sabotage.

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Post by [deleted] »

igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

triceratops wrote: post #142
monero-xmr wrote: post #65

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Wind is the worst of all, otherwise the UK would have the cheapest energy in the West, instead of the highest

Or maybe if not for wind their electricity would be even more expensive. See? Anyone can make kill-shot arguments when there's no data.

There's plenty of data.

Analysis: Wind power has saved UK consumers over £100 billion since 2010 – new study

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2025/oct/analysis-wind-power-has-...

The interesting part is that 130 Billion of the savings were in reduced gas prices as it reduced demand, particularly in winter, and freed up gas storage.

And this is depsite an effective ban on constructing onshore wind in England from June 2015, more than half the 2010 to 2023 time period studied.

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Post by johanvts »

bruce511 wrote: post #185
Krasnol wrote: post #178

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The problem is that the outlier might mark a beginning. Seeing what's possible in this position, I doubt future US presidents will hold back.

It doesn't matter I'd they hold back or not. The perception of political instability is enough. If, as an investor, I'm asked to throw billions at a multi-year project, political risk is going to be on the PowerPoint. You may think this current administration is an aberration, but it serves to prove that aberrations can happen. That the levers supposed to prevent this (congress, courts) are creaking. Sure a judge rul…

Which is exactly why Orsted will now focus on European wind projects instead. American projects will have to be that more profitable/expensive in the future to compensate for the political risk. But I guess this is exactly the desired outcome for big oil, no outside competition.

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Post by johanvts »

pwarner wrote: post #146
igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

I'm not advocating their system, but here's one pro for China obviously.

You can have a functional democracy and still do long term planning, the problem is the current US government. Its not a fundamental flaw in democracy.
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