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Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by pjmlp »

observationist wrote: post #201
Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

QA? Hardly even know 'er! Windows 11 makes Windows Vista look polished and competent. They're not even trying anymore.

QA teams were all fired in 2018, and devs asked to take over.

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Post by pjmlp »

madhacker wrote: post #132

Microsoft needs to double down on its ubiquitous AI initiative so that more users can discover the joy of Linux.

As someone that uses Linux distros since 1995, I have had lots of joy getting it to work on various kinds of hardware, during weekends and long nights.

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Post by nashashmi »

hedora wrote: post #211
nashashmi wrote: post #111

I understand the approach Satya took initially. He had a big investment in AI. He saw a theoretical value in AI supporting productivity. And he pushed his developers and creators to imagine and mock up ideas how AI would deliver. Obviously the last part was disappointing. In hindsight, the push was far too aggressive, and too mediocre. We have a lot to learn from this try, about ourselves and about others. Integratio…

There’s no way to set up Windows to respect your privacy at this point. Windows 10 was the turning point on this. They charge you for the software, and charge you again by stealing your data. They even used to have a whitepaper explaining how any MS employee can remotely pull any file from any windows machine with managerial approval.

So you are claiming that all AI in any form would be MS-retrievable?

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Post by vrighter »

ghn345678 wrote: post #159

I never thought I would have to give up Notepad on Windows for quick file edits. But now with AI in notepad, paint, snap tool, etc, I had to install and use third party alternatives all the time.

right click on notepad and uninstall it. Then the old notepad pops right back (it never left)

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Post by direwolf20 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #186
direwolf20 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is also collapsing.

Musk's net worth was $300Bn in November 2024 and he ended 2025 at $726Bn. ... where is this collapse?

In their sales numbers. You know that market cap doesn't mean a lot, right? Especially for a meme stock.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

pjmlp wrote: post #217
giancarlostoro wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they want AI hype they should be building up .NET to be completely versatile for AI, not just ONNX, but the full pipeline. Make your strengths a key indicator that Windows is the place for AI, stop using up 50% of my RAM for no reason, I need it for real work. Till then Linux has been my new permanent home for about 5 years now or so.

Have you lost sight of how much AI is being shoved down .NET tooling? See AI components for Blazor, Aspire AI dashboards, Aspire CLI with AI, Powershell AI, aspire.dev web site proudly written with AI, .NET Upgrade tool is now AI driven,....?

None of those sound like the tooling I'm talking about. I'm thinking of libraries like ML.NET, training and inference, compared to Python its nowhere near, a lot of .NET projects wind up calling out to Python itself. I don't see why Microsoft couldn't do more in this area, if they're truly betting on AI they're betting on it the wrong way.

What pure C# inference tooling is out there? I know they have a solid ONNX engine, but not everything runs on ONNX.

I say this as both a Python and .NET developer mind you, but if Microsoft actually built up .NET more seriously to power AI infrastructure, I could see it making a big difference for them. Look at how many game engines use C# as opposed to literally any other programming language. C# could have been a #2 language for AI by now.

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Post by stackghost »

randomfrogs wrote: post #204
stackghost wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally nobody on the planet is worse at naming things than Microsoft.

Apple's not great, but Microsoft is worse.

Nothing about Apple's naming schemes seems immediately rage-inducing. Sure, their stuff is bland, and I think it's stupid how people refer to doing things "on iPhone" instead of "on an iPhone", but otherwise Apple's products are mostly descriptive. Garage Band has to do with music, Pages is a word processor, iCloud is a cloud storage thing, etc.

But even the Labrador licking his own balls that someone else mentioned would be better than Microsoft at naming things. I'm surprised they haven't changed Windows to Microsoft Azure Copilot Platform .NET 365 yet.

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