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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by cael450 »

nashashmi wrote: post #184
palmotea wrote: post #174

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> The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to. No, at least during the Biden administration when the law was passed, it wasn't. This shit is a lot more complicated that a hot take based on today's news.

It was even during Biden. The idea was to stop pro Palestine videos. Anti ice videos are in the same realm

Forcing the sale of TikTok predates the current war in Gaza by a good bit. It's obviously a complex thing that encompassed a bunch of different people with different motivations. And considering there is pro-Palestinian videos all over American social media, I don't think it is kind of absurd to think this was the motivation.

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Post by pousada »

zzzeek wrote: post #114
mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

tiktok always censored, it's just now it censors anti-Trump content instead of anti-CCP content [1] both are bad, I liked when tiktok was supposed to be just "banned". it's always been a tool for repressive governments [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-28/tiktok-huawei-surveil...

If it’s true for TikTok it will likely be true for all other forms of popular social media (twitter, instagram, etc) too, so a ban wouldn’t have made a big difference probably.

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Post by contagiousflow »

aprentic wrote: post #213
reliabilityguy wrote: post #42

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> the rest of the world have easy access to. Except for China, where TikTok is nothing like the TikTok for the rest of the world

A bunch of people around the world used 小红书 for months when they were worried about a twitter ban. They got the same version of the app that people in China got. I haven't seen any formal studies but my impression, at the time, was that Chinese people were far better informed about the US than Americans were about China.

Well you could say that every educated country is far better informed about the US than vice versa.

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Post by cael450 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to.

This information is all over American social media... Even the article references that Megan Stalter posted her videos on Instagram.

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Post by xanthor »

Gud wrote: post #158
embedding-shape wrote: post #61

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Which used to be seen as "Ew, China has their own version? Crazy censorship" but after some time it seems like the US is aiming for the very same thing. Classy.

It’s more sinister than simple censorship. The point is brainwashing.

How do you know that conclusion is not the product of brainwashing? MKULTRA is just what we know about with certainty.

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Post by buildbot »

pjc50 wrote: post #198
deadbabe wrote: post #193

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Most Americans are unaware of how China is collapsing. All news is censored.

You must have heard about it from somewhere ? Some reliable third party intermediary that is neither US nor China?

I haven’t heard anything about this but the claim appears to be mostly true - https://spectator.com/article/has-xi-jinping-fought-off-anot...

The spectator is allegedly a reliable media source, I am not personally familiar.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

antonymoose wrote: post #166
mekdoonggi wrote: post #138

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A NYT columnist Jamelle Bouie suggested (in jest) that the next Democrat administration send armed IRS agents to gated communities in Florida, to "investigate tax fraud". But this is exactly why all citizens should be concerned about the infringement of rights happening in Minnesota. If it is allowed without prosecution, you are next.

Why would anyone be opposed to the IRS catching tax cheats? This seems like such a bone-headed take. In any case it’s also historically illiterate, the IRS has long been used as a political weapon, infamously against “Tea Party” activists.

There's nothing wrong with catching tax cheats as long as due process is followed and the person's rights are not infringed. However, selective enforcement can be used as a weapon - never investigate people "on your side" and always investigate "enemies" even if there's no evidence of fraud. Another way to weaponise enforcement is to have a law that is almost never prosecuted and rarely followed (e.g. only using bare hands to eat chicken in Gainesville, Georgia), so then a law enforcement officer can threaten to prosecute for it unless the victim complies.

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Post by euroderf »

lenerdenator wrote: post #171
embedding-shape wrote: post #61

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Which used to be seen as "Ew, China has their own version? Crazy censorship" but after some time it seems like the US is aiming for the very same thing. Classy.

Case-in-point of why we shouldn't have approached China like we did over the last few decades. It normalized totalitarianism in some segments of Western society.

Oceania gets tech tips from Eastasia.

Oceania has always gotten tech tips from Eastasia.

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Post by 1over137 »

palmotea wrote: post #210
lenerdenator wrote: post #171

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Case-in-point of why we shouldn't have approached China like we did over the last few decades. It normalized totalitarianism in some segments of Western society.

> Case-in-point of why we shouldn't have approached China like we did over the last few decades. It normalized totalitarianism in some segments of Western society. An interesting thought I read a couple days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/24/opinion/trump-carney-chin... : > Finally, and most controversially, I suspect the same “if not America, then China” logic applies to political ordering as well. The United…

China is not publicly espousing conquering Canada and Greenland (Europe). Who would you choose, the people threatening to invade you, or the other guys?!?!

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

infecto wrote: post #162
pjc50 wrote: post #151

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But that's my point: what you call "brigading" is other people using their free speech in a way you don't like.

I think we are talking past each other a bit. I am not objecting to people expressing disagreement or labeling as an abstract exercise of free speech. I am pointing to a pattern that has become common online where disagreement quickly turns into coordinated pile-ons, identity assignment, and social signaling rather than substantive engagement with the argument itself. Free speech protects the right to do that, but it…

> I am pointing to a pattern that has become common online where disagreement quickly turns into coordinated pile-ons, identity assignment, and social signaling rather than substantive engagement with the argument itself.

It's easy to fall prey to the fallacy that disagreement with you means the disagreers are failing to engage substantively to the topic, and are simply "social signaling".

It's easy to dismiss many people disagreeing with you as a "coordinated pile on".

In my experience, these accusations are usually a result of the "piled on"'s failure to understand and consider the others' perspective, and their unwillingness to change their mind.

Not to say that they must understand and consider others' perspectives, or that they must be willing to change their mind either! But engaging with a society means facing social pressure to conform with social norms. There's always not engaging with society in any meaningful way, as an option.

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