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Post by orwin »

0x3f wrote: post #169
orwin wrote: post #145

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Isn't neoliberal just Friedman and the Chicago boyz' liberalism? So policies enacted by Reagan, Pinochet and Thatchers?

Sort of and to varying degrees. Neoliberal is a funny one because it's used as a thoughtless pejorative by both the left and right. I've heard people say housing policy has failed because it's too neoliberal meaning too free market, and then other people say it's failed because it's too neoliberal i.e. too much government intervention. Neoliberalism is basically just markets-by-default and evidence-based alternatives…

> Neoliberalism is basically just markets-by-default and evidence-based alternatives when they fail.

That's not though. I think the name is from the 'New classical school', oppose Keynesian economics. I think the meaning drifted to mean supply-side economics (direct inheritor from the Chicago school and the new classical school).

Neoliberalism can't be 'evidence-based' when it rejects basic observation (like those from MMT. You can reject MMT 'solutions', that's fine, I do too. Don't reject evidence though).

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Post by dudefeliciano »

pickleglitch wrote: post #210
iceflinger wrote: post #139

Not sure why this is flagged? One of the largest social media platforms in the industry changed ownership, its user base is noticing an unexplained change in functionality? Surely that warrants a discussion among tech people?

There is another post about this exact topic on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779809 So I can only assume this one is flagged because the source is pride.com Make of that what you will.

your link was posted a few hours after this post was flagged

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Post by Steltek »

archagon wrote: post #209
thunky wrote: post #166

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> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

Respectfully, I think it’s impossible to have “real conversation” on a site where users are (essentially) anonymous, discussions are threaded, and comments are boosted or hidden based on their upvotes. For deep, nuanced discussions where people can actually change their minds, you want a discussion board — but it’s a paradigm that’s difficult to scale, and so isn’t compatible with the modern notion of social media.

I'd replace "real conversation" with "community". And I think communities don't prohibit anonymity. I think the impossibility is really having a community with a very large active userbase. A macro version of Dunbar's number.

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Post by [deleted] »

Steltek wrote: post #223
archagon wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, I think it’s impossible to have “real conversation” on a site where users are (essentially) anonymous, discussions are threaded, and comments are boosted or hidden based on their upvotes. For deep, nuanced discussions where people can actually change their minds, you want a discussion board — but it’s a paradigm that’s difficult to scale, and so isn’t compatible with the modern notion of social media.

I'd replace "real conversation" with "community". And I think communities don't prohibit anonymity. I think the impossibility is really having a community with a very large active userbase. A macro version of Dunbar's number.

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Post by gambiting »

joe_mamba wrote: post #148
gambiting wrote: post #136

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I have literally never met anyone as delusional as you on HN. Your comments are just on the absolute edge of sanity, and the only hope I have is that you are an actual russian troll trying to sow discontent and not an actual real human that holds these beliefs earnestly. It just leaves me wondering - how do you look yourself in the mirror each day? I guess it must be super easy if you just look at what happened there…

>I have literally never met anyone as delusional as you on HN. Pot calling the kettle black. >the only hope I have is that you are an actual russian troll Yes, you are not the minority opinion, you are 100% correct and everyone disagreeing with you is a russian troll.

You know what, I was thinking about it for the last few hours since I replied to you.

And I think - if I lived in 1930s Germany, I would also want to believe that my country isn't turning into a place where the rule of law isn't respected and where citizens are executed on the street without due process. After all, people are posting criticism of the government in the papers still, so it can't be that bad. That family next door that disappeared - they probably did something wrong. And the dude that got shot by the Gestapo on the street - he probably did something wrong too. Or maybe the officer made a mistake - it's just an accident after all. Nothing to worry about.

I think it's in our nature to gaslight ourselves, because otherwise we have to confront the horror of the world and also who we have become. You have become a person who goes on the internet and tells people that the shooting of Alex Pretti was an unfortunate accident. I hope that there is a day - maybe in 10 maybe in 20 maybe in 30 years - where you look back at yourself and think "damn why didn't I see what was going on".

>> everyone disagreeing with you is a russian troll.

You have your coping mechanism which is clearly just lying to yourself and others on the internet - every single comment asking you for evidence, proof, or in return - giving you those when you asked - you have ignored, because clearly you aren't actually interested in what is happening, you just want to stick to your point of view, something which you accuse others of doing.

For me, the only method of not going insane reading internet forums nowadays is assuming that either people like you are bots, or are doing this on purpose to elicit a reaction(kids call it ragebaiting nowadays?). If you really hold these views....then what I said above applies.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

thunky wrote: post #215
thunky wrote: post #166

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> the voices of the government supporters are not heard here This is sad to me because I really want to hear the other perspective, and there is no place that exists (that I know of) for people who disagree with each other to have a real conversation. Nothing left but echo chambers. But I think HN falls into this trap because the down vote button is used when people disagree with the other person, which imo is a misa…

...replying to my self to point out that ironically my post is being downvoted. I guess wanting to hear the other side's perspective is not looked upon favorably here, just like everywhere else.

Be careful though. It's easy to think you know why you are being downvoted (BTW, it looks like the pendulum has swung the other way—you don't look downvoted to me).

When you have a handful of sentences in your post, it may well be the one you're not expecting that triggered the downvotes.

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Post by muwtyhg »

koonsolo wrote: post #181
piva00 wrote: post #170

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It is mind boggling how you keep trying to deflect away given your narrative. > Trump got a standing ovation at Davos and got a deal for Greenland And you don't know what is the deal, at all, so how can you base your entire argument in something you simply do not know? You don't know, you simply do not know.

I'm confident to go a step further and say there is no deal. Greenland and Denmark weren't present to make a deal. And to quote Trump: "Well, the deal is going to be put out pretty soon and we'll see. It's right now a little bit in progress, but pretty far along." (from https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W_UE7h3nTmQ ) The deal that is "now a little bit in progress", sounds to me like there is no deal.

We have.... concepts of a deal.

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Post by muwtyhg »

0x3f wrote: post #54
keybored wrote: post #42

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This was the logic the West used throughout the life of the Soviet Union but for [Cc]ommunism.

Arguably people still do this with 'socialism'. Calling everything communism is now a bit _too_ cliche.

No, calling things/people/ideas communist is still 100% in play by the Republican party. McCarthy-ism is in full swing, and they've even added "antisemite" as another hot label they can throw on people to tarnish them. They have called the people protesting "raging commies" and other, similar phrases. Trump has called judges that act against him communist as well [1]

[1] https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/featured/calling-commun...

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Post by ryandrake »

progbits wrote: post #203
Schmerika wrote: post #189

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And there are people who own and run this website with extremely aligned interests. Altman and Thiel have long had YC connections (obv); and for the last year or so Garry Tan and PG have been full-throatedly cheerleading Musk and DOGE on their Twitter pages. Then there's the many connections between YC and the 'defense' industry; you know, the one making billions of dollars from wars that people speak out about on so…

Cue the usual dang copypasta how there is no evidence of flag brigading, and how they "moderate less", and so on.

To be fair, dang's position has consistently been (and he posted as such yesterday[1]) that the flag brigading comes from two distinct groups: 1. Users who don't want to see "politics" and 2. Users who are partisan and want to hide politics they don't like.

My view is that these are essentially the same group. "Not wanting to see politics" is itself just a partisan view in favor of whatever the Status Quo currently is. So if you're going through and flagging articles describing wrongdoing or calling for change, because they are "political," then you're just operating in the service of whoever is currently in power.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46771917

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Post by Teever »

direwolf20 wrote: post #220
dudefeliciano wrote: post #143

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these topics are controversial for people who support the current US government, they don't want to see it on their tech-news website (even though it's called hacker news, the spirit of the hacker manifesto is not alive here). Funnily enough, these flagged topics seem to spark a lot of conversation, and the voices of the government supporters are not heard here...So they just flag and move on, not even trying to defe…

It only takes 4 HN users in support of something to silence opposition to it

That's the acutal number, 4 flags from users allowed to flag with a full weight? Where did you learn that?
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