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The American LLMs notoriously have similar censorship issues, just on different material
No, they don't. Censorship of the Chinese models is a superset of the censorship applied to US models. Ask a US model about January 6, and it will tell you what happened.
Are they likely to take a new strategy that they no longer open source their largest and strongest models?
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Tried it and it's super slow compared to others LLMs. I imagine the Alibaba infra is being hammered hard.
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This suggests that the Chinese government recognises that its legitimacy is conditional and potentially unstable. Consequently, the state treats uncontrolled public discourse as a direct threat. By contrast, countries such as the United States can tolerate the public exposure of war crimes, illegal actions or state violence, since such revelations rarely result in any significant consequences. While public outrage ma…
It's weird to see this naivete about the US system, as if US social media doesn't have its ways of dealing with wrongthink, or the once again naive assumption that the average Chinese methods of dealing with unpleasant stuff is that dissimilar from how the US deals with it. I sometimes have the image that Americans think that if the all Chinese got to read Western produced pamphlet detailing the particulars of what h…
I'm sure some (probably a lot of) people think that, but I hope it never happens. I'm not keen on 'Western democracy' either - that's why, in my second response, I said that I see elections in the US and basically all other countries as just a change of administrators rather than systemic change. All those countries still put up strong guidelines on who can be politically active in their system which automatically eliminates any disruptive parties anyway. / It's like choosing what flavour of ice cream you want when you're hungry. You can choose vanilla, chocolate or pistachio, but you can never just get a curry, even if you're craving something salty.
> It's weird to see this naivete about the US system, as if US social media doesn't have its ways of dealing with wrongthink, or the once again naive assumption that the average Chinese methods of dealing with unpleasant stuff is that dissimilar from how the US deals with it.
I do think they are different to the extent that I described. Western countries typically give you the illusion of choice, whereas China, Russia and some other countries simply don't give you any choice and manage narratives differently. I believe both approaches are detrimental to the majority of people in either bloc.
Aghhh, I wished they release a model which outperforms Opus 4.5 in agentic coding in my earlier comments, seems I should wait more. But I am hopeful
The Chinese just distill western SOTA models to level up their models, because they are badly compute constrained. If you were pulling someone much weaker than you behind yourself in a race, they would be right on your heels, but also not really a threat. Unless they can figure out a more efficient way to run before you do.
Is this available on Open Router yet? I want it to go head-to-head against Gemini 3 Flash which is the king of playing Mafia so far https://mafia-arena.com
* https://lmarena.ai/leaderboard — crowd-sourced head-to-head battles between models using ELO
* https://dashboard.safe.ai/ — CAIS' incredible dashboard (cited in OP)
* https://clocks.brianmoore.com/ — a visual comparison of how well models can draw a clock. A new clock is drawn every minute
* https://eqbench.com/ — emotional intelligence benchmarks for LLMs
* https://www.ocrarena.ai/battle — OCR battles, ELO
Capability Benchmark GPT-5.2-Thinking Claude-Opus-4.5 Gemini 3 Pro DeepSeek V3.2 Qwen3-Max-Thinking
Knowledge MMLUPro 87.4 89.5 *89.8* 85.0 85.7
Knowledge MMLURedux 95.0 95.6 *95.9* 94.5 92.8
Knowledge CEval 90.5 92.2 93.4 92.9 *93.7*
STEM GPQA *92.4* 87.0 91.9 82.4 87.4
STEM HLE 35.5 30.8 *37.5* 25.1 30.2
Reasoning LiveCodeBench v6 87.7 84.8 *90.7* 80.8 85.9
Reasoning HMMT Feb 25 *99.4* - 97.5 92.5 98.0
Reasoning HMMT Nov 25 - - 93.3 90.2 *94.7*
Reasoning IMOAnswerBench *86.3* 84.0 83.3 78.3 83.9
Agentic Coding SWE Verified 80.0 *80.9* 76.2 73.1 75.3
Agentic Search HLE (w/ tools) 45.5 43.2 45.8 40.8 *49.8*
Instruction Following & Alignment IFBench *75.4* 58.0 70.4 60.7 70.9
Instruction Following & Alignment MultiChallenge 57.9 54.2 *64.2* 47.3 63.3
Instruction Following & Alignment ArenaHard v2 80.6 76.7 81.7 66.5 *90.2*
Tool Use Tau² Bench 80.9 *85.7* 85.4 80.3 82.1
Tool Use BFCLV4 63.1 *77.5* 72.5 61.2 67.7
Tool Use Vita Bench 38.2 *56.3* 51.6 44.1 40.9
Tool Use Deep Planning *44.6* 33.9 23.3 21.6 28.7
Long Context AALCR 72.7 *74.0* 70.7 65.0 68.7I tried to search, could not find anything, do they offer subscriptions? Or only pay per tokens?