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FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. Fortunately I'm not in the USA. But you couldn't pay me to go there. One man's terrorist...

> I don't mind being labeled a terrorist. You should. It's not meant for your vanity and it represents and extreme overreach by the government. It doesn't make you "cool." > But you couldn't pay me to go there. Of course we could. Aside from that this mentality always shocks me. There are more civilians in the US than government agents. What were you expecting when you got here? It's madness.. > One man's terrorist..…

> You should. It's not meant for your vanity and it represents and extreme overreach by the government.

That's your opinion, I don't necessarily share it.

> It doesn't make you "cool."

What made you think that I thought it looked cool. I just realize that at some point play time is over.

> Of course we could.

No, you can't. And the fact that you think you can is interesting. 'No' means 'No'. You can not pay me to go to the United States, period. I have lived on the border for years and have friends there, already missed a funeral. It isn't going to happen until sanity returns and frankly I don't see that happening in the next decade or two so most likely I will never go back there.

> Aside from that this mentality always shocks me.

What shocks you? That people abroad look at the USA and evaluate their options? What's so shocking about that?

> There are more civilians in the US than government agents.

Indeed, and a good chunk voted for this and I can't easily tell them apart.

> What were you expecting when you got here?

Well, the last time I went it cost me a couple of really good boots. Who knows what it will cost me next time?

> It's madness..

Yes, but it is not my madness and I don't have to factor in ICE into my daily affairs. As a visitor into the United States that would be a major factor, as many people have already found out, which you seem to conveniently skip over. I don't visit places where the rule of law is that shaky.

> Is another mans freedom fighter. Sure, fine, if you want a civil war.

No, I don't want a civil war. But I can't stand by idly while people are oppressed by their government and that makes it much better for me not to be exposed to such situations. Countries I will not visit: Russia, China, United States, Iran, North Korea, most of Africa, quite a few more countries in Asia. Countries that I would reluctantly visit: Most of Latin America, probably some others. Countries that I'm happy to visit: all of the EU, some countries bordering the EU, Japan, Australia, New Zealand.

> Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for?

Have you watched the news recently? I think it is pretty clear what the civilized side is in these conflicts.

> Unless you particularly enjoy digging graves for your friends.

No, I don't enjoy that. But my friends that have died in one particular struggle did so in the firm belief that what they were doing was just and right and I share their belief. I'm old enough to realize that if you don't stand up when it matters then you're just as bad as the rest.

Germany had a good chance to stand up to fascism and blew it. If fascists take over where I live or nearby you can count me in to be on the other side. I've read my grandmothers' diaries and I have written about that before, it is a stark reminder of what happens as soon as the gestapo starts doing the rounds.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

#222

This is overreach. Congress didn't give them this power. See Loper-Bright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loper_Bright_Enterprises_v._Ra...

It's been overreach since the start of FAA claims on low altitude space. From what I understand their jurisdiction didn't begin until 500 feet into the air. Not only is it overreach, it's encouraging impediments on what has been largely considered private property.

When are you suggesting this overreach began?

FAA has asserted jurisdiction below 500' for a long time: balloons and kites since 1963, ultralights since 1982.

FAA certainly asserts regulatory authority over aircraft below 500', everything does takeoffs and landings of some sort, but ground operations are also subject to regulation.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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"drones" dont have to fly, they can move on wheels, or if your slick you have rotors that double as wheels.

i dont think the concern is drone weaponry, but the photography, and intelligence that may be derived.

i expect to see an attempt to work against any cameras that may cover activities

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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Ordering violence orchestrated by the military is a core constitutional power. It's called being "commander-in-chief" of the armed forces. The ruling makes it very clear that core constitutional powers have conclusive and preclusive (absolute) immunity. Other official acts have presumptive immunity. In all cases, the motive is above question. If Trump has a fight with Melania, he can order the CIA to rendition and di…

> Ordering violence orchestrated by the military is a core constitutional power. It's called being "commander-in-chief" of the armed forces. Incorrect. The commander in chief, same as all military officers, has the authority to issue lawful orders to the chain of command below him. He does not have the authority to issue unlawful orders, and if he does, his subordinates have the legal obligation to disobey them. The…

> has the authority to issue lawful orders

This decision says that he can issue unlawful orders, and there's nothing the court can do about it. He's immune. You don't need immunity for lawful acts. The very best you could argue is that this prevents prosecution for "gray area" acts that may or may not be lawful. But this decision essentially says that all of those "gray areas" are effectively lawful.

Decide that the protesters in Minnesota are an insurrection? Maybe they start turning up with long guns, like countless previous protestors? Order the troops to fire. It's up to them if they do or don't, but it's guaranteed if they don't, they'll be in courts martial for disobeying the order. The meeting minutes, the reports, what was known and when it was known, Trump's motive: all of them don't matter at all. The official records are inadmissible, his motive is unquestionable, and he is absolutely immune for his orders as commander-in-chief. He can pardon everyone and make them federally immune as well. Only state courts can do anything, far after the fact.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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post #222

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It's been overreach since the start of FAA claims on low altitude space. From what I understand their jurisdiction didn't begin until 500 feet into the air. Not only is it overreach, it's encouraging impediments on what has been largely considered private property.

When are you suggesting this overreach began? FAA has asserted jurisdiction below 500' for a long time: balloons and kites since 1963, ultralights since 1982. FAA certainly asserts regulatory authority over aircraft below 500', everything does takeoffs and landings of some sort, but ground operations are also subject to regulation.

Historically, the FAA had zero interest/jurisdiction in most hobbyist aircraft below 500 feet, they would not even bother entertaining such as it was not relevant to their opperations. Helicopters, planes, and quadcopters could be flown freely under general guidance, with no actual enforcing regulations. These were largely not seen as something the FAA had jurisdiction over, nor did the FAA express any interest. It was widely accepted that fields away from an airport and at low altitude were outside of controlled airspace.

Then come affordable drones and suddenly the FAA attempts to exert full regulation over the space.

To answer your question, roughly 2012 is when this started.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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This has been the case for a long time. What's new and weird with this "sports" game is that the side with the umpire in their pocket has suddenly decided the game is bloodsport .

If you’re a minority in America then it’s been a blood sport for a while. It’s only recently that the majority demographics are now at risk.

While the danger has increased recently, the targeting of minority groups in America has always included targeting those outside of the group perceived as defending the group (including simply by opposing the discriminatort targeting.)

And often the biggest reactions against the targeting of minorities are not triggered by acts against the minorities directly but by the acts against majority-demographic activists working on their behalf.

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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President immunity as laid out by SCOTUS clearly covers pardons. Including "I'll pardon you and everyone down the chain if you do a war crime" promises.

No it doesn't because the president always had absolute power to pardon.

That was not so clear cut prior.

Openly selling a pardon for $20M would almost certainly have led to a prosecution for bribery. Not now!

Re: FAA institutes nationwide drone no-fly zones around ICE operations

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You’re talking about bargain bin analog FPV drones? Most people can’t operate them and even for an experienced operator it’s far from the best tool for the job of filming armed thugs..I mean ICE.. You’d need a digital system with a gimbal, and the DJI O4 Pro alone will run you $200+. For dual lenses with different zoom levels and feed switching it’s getting pretty expensive very fast.

You don't have to fly in acro mode lol. The common hobbyist drone firmwares have full support for even things like autonomous GPS missions. You also don't need expensive gimbal stabilized cameras; you're not making a cinematic film, so you can just hot glue a 360 camera to the bottom and deal with the slight oscillations.

It’s super easy to stabilize video after the fact, too!
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