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Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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It would be far better if we could get a government in who would use Brexit freedoms to scrap VAT and all the other sales and import taxes. They are an administrative nightmare and both unnecessary and ineffective. Stick to simpler taxes. The problem is that we have one side who loves all things EU and the other that loves all things neoliberal - both of which are obsessed with sales taxes for some reason

VAT is not really all that complicated and accounts for around 15% of the UK tax take. Moving that to income tax would mean a substantial redistribution from working people to pensioners and incentivise moving more production abroad. Import taxes are pretty complicated but unilaterally removing them would mean we would have nothing to negotiate tariff free access to foreign markets.

Vat is stupidly complex. Try doing an international conference for example. Not to mention the impact on imports as the OP discovered.

Quite why people think tax stays in one place is beyond me - all costs are passed on and tax is no different. Putting the tax on employer NiCS for example would result in roughly the same business collection and payment, but with a significant reduction in administration and the tax gap since PAYE collection is more efficient.

And quite why obtaining foreign items more expensive is seen as a negotiating point could only be brought up by somebody who hasn’t thought through how floating exchange rates work. We want more stuff coming in and less going out. That’s how you win in international trade. Exports are a cost remember.

As we see from the US, it is the local population that pays the cost of import tariffs and taxes. The currency exchange rate fixes the rest.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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> "Paid the fee online, 20% VAT + a few pounds of handling fees ... It’s the normal procedure to buy things from Europe since Brexit 2020." Why don't Amazon and other online retailers just charge you the UK VAT when you order and ship it "VAT paid", so it doesn't get held up at the border? That's how it works in New Zealand. You pay New Zealand's GST when you place an order, not after it arrives. Any online retailer…

This is exactly how it works in the UK for purchases worth £135 or less which are shipped directly from outside the UK. The retailer has to charge UK VAT as if it were a domestic sale at the point of sale, and there is then nothing to pay at customs so no hold-up for that. It's only consignments worth over £135 where it ends up being stopped for payment at import. On top of that, Amazon and other large online retaile…

> ”It's only consignments worth over £135 where it ends up being stopped for payment at import.”

But why only under £135? This seems like an arbitrary number, and a very low limit.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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I've noticed this company also has coax modems. I wonder if they will work better than MOCA adapters. I've tried MOCA at my house and the quality of the signal is not good, connection keeps dropping every 10-15 minutes for no apparent reason...

You may have had filters on your lines or just really poor quality connections/cables. I’ve been using MoCA in my home to bring internet up from my basement to the second floor for a few years and it’s been flawless. Consistent 1gbps, no drops, 1-2ms extra latency compared to Ethernet wired devices.

what do you mean by filters? how can I check this?

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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> the cables don't have a little chip or anything saying "I'm not suitable for high speed" the card will figure out whether this looks plausible and just do it. You're actually wrong on all of that ^^ The cables actually have a rating to say what they are suitable to. See the markings on the cable: category Cat5/Cat5e/Cat6 + frequency range 100/250 Mhz + insulation UTP/FTP/STP/mix. Ethernet cards don't negotiate, the…

It's true that the cable says 5e on it but your device doesn't read the printed reading so it doesn't matter. That printed category tells you what was tested, not whether the cable works in practice. Which makes sense, but leads to the consequence I described.

Worthwhile to point out: The Cat5 cable required for gigabit Ethernet is merely twisted pairs with no insulation, which is pretty much a dumb basic cable (with 8 wires). That's why any cable can work in practice.

I don't know how possible it is to find a really bad cable (untwisted) and it might work on a short length anyway. (Your 1980s office cabling must have been 8 wires if you were able to get gigabit later, so it was far beyond basic phone wires or Cat1 from the time).

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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My new build (2023) would have had 0 ethernet if I didn't request it. It's so cheap to wire it in and so useful for the future I don't know why it's not just standard. It had phone sockets though, for whatever reason. When I was configuring the house the person I was with to do it didn't even know what ethernet was. One thing I wished I could have picked was where all the ethernet terminated. It's all gone to a littl…

The vast majority of people don't care and would never use ethernet sockets, as long as they can get a good enough wifi connection to their smart TV for Netflix etc. then they're happy and most of the time wifi can do that. It's only really gamers who are likely to consider using ethernet and avid online gamers don't make up a significant percentage of the people who buy new build homes

Which is a shame, because it puts a huge support burden on ISPs. Every time some WiFi interference slows someone’s internet down they’ll end up blaming the ISP and calling support.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Another solution: run ethernet cables outdoors on the ground. You can do ethernet cables outdoors from your router in your house to your router in your office. Either thin cables that go under doors, or outdoor rated ones, both can work fine. This same approach can work inside a house as an alternative to mesh networking or running cables through walls. The cables don't have to be invisible (underground or in walls)…

The direct line across would get run over by cars. Indirect routes would still have to cross pavement and look ugly. And then there are still those six feet of stone that needs drilling through to get the cable outside and back in.

There is equipment that will dig a small tunnel like thing under concrete, avoiding needing to destroy your driveway (assuming there is space on either side) . Won't be cheap, but it's possible.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Lots of sympathy with this plight. Great to hear that someone has done the needful and rendered MoCA style modems over pairs of copper. I'm probably a customer for that. I'm currently running MoCA over spliced coax as part of the local connection and not amused by the 5ms latency on it. Also running 100mbit over cat3 I found in a wall which does work, but cat3 in another wall can't hold 10mbit. That link actually can…

> the periodic reboots they inexplicably require I've had powerline adapters with uptimes measured in years (basically in between power cuts). I think yours might be defective. They absolutely do not require reboots.

Certain brands of g.fast and g.hn devices are apparently so buggy as to be essentially defective, yes.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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The direct line across would get run over by cars. Indirect routes would still have to cross pavement and look ugly. And then there are still those six feet of stone that needs drilling through to get the cable outside and back in.

Six feet?

Dude lives in a Scottish castle.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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The direct line across would get run over by cars. Indirect routes would still have to cross pavement and look ugly. And then there are still those six feet of stone that needs drilling through to get the cable outside and back in.

Six feet?

3 feet X 2 walls
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