Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

newsroom.porsche.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

221–230 of 740 posts

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

#221

Post by pear01 »

nielsbot wrote: post #213
pear01 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, not to mention the fact that Chinese EVs can't be sold here... protectionism for weak American companies that can't compete globally. We've gone from an automotive superpower and the land of Henry Ford to the government propping up automakers and depriving Americans of free choice. If Chinese cars would actually be allowed to sold here they would sell like Toyota Camrys.

Interesting that Canada agreed to break with the US on EV tariffs. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46648778 It's limited but I feel like Canada aligning themselves at all with China over the US is an interesting development.

It's a good point but imo not really surprising when the President of the United States essentially threatened to invade Canada and Greenland.

This is classic multipolar politics, trade the two behemoths against each other so they don't roll over one day and just squish you. By alienating Canada and Europe we've handed China a great gift.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

#222

Post by nielsbot »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #165
sitharus wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't most people already have a plug in their garage? All mine certainly have. There's no need to get full EVSE for most people, a 2.4kW outlet as found almost everywhere outside North America will easily handle daily driving needs for anyone who's not in a travelling job. Also if everyone in your neighbourhood turning on a space heater strains the grid you have bigger problems. Utilities have plenty of ways to solv…

44 million US households have no garage, including ~2/3 of renters

Hence the urgent need for charging infrastructure: Incentives to install charges in homes and rental unit garages and at curbsides.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

#223

Post by maldev »

protocolture wrote: post #188
bnchrch wrote: post #2

While the headline is interesting. I think the table at the end of the article is more so. - Worldwide sales -10% YoY - China sales -26% YoY And when you cross compare Porsche saying they sold more EV powertrains than their gas equivalents against China's new found foothold as the market leader in consumer electric cars (BYD, NIO, Xiaomi, etc...) Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car domin…

>Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car dominance, but of the (very potential) rise of China as the premier automotive super power. I thought we were there already tbh. Chinese cars have gone from laughably bad to quality parity in less than a decade. Like even 2 years ago, I was still hearing "the paint the paint" as the last remaining issue. But I dont hear that anymore.

Have you ever ridden in a BYD? It's super loud, horrible suspension, seats are extremely uncomfy, everything is cheap with a fancy looking facade. If you need a car to go from point A - B and can't afford any luxury, it's fine. But it's a bare minimum vehicle with looks to appeal to status.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

#224

Post by toephu2 »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #111
nxm wrote: post #5

The key part is electrified and not pure electric.

I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (o…

A bit sad that you're in the industry and you don't understand why pure EVs are better than hybrids.

Full EVs: Less moving parts = less maintenance required = less issues to worry about (think no oil changes, no timing belt changes, no spark plug replacements, no belt/filter changes, no exhaust system checks, etc).

Also zero emissions = better air quality around you.

Bonus: it's like waking up with a full take of gas every morning

I've owned my full EV for almost 10 years now and had 0 maintenance done whatsoever (apart from tire rotation and window wiper fluid replacement). I would never go back to an ICE vehicle.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

#225

Post by bruce511 »

mlinhares wrote: post #201
pixl97 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Also if everyone in your neighbourhood turning on a space heater strains the grid you have bigger problems. Welcome to Texas. And with Texas a 200 mile+ driving day is just more common than people from smaller places experience.

People can't possibly be driving 200 miles a day, that can't be real.

Sure it can :).

Probably not 7 days a week, but a couple days a week, sure.

And of course not everyone. Maybe 10%?

Not that it matters. What do I care about the needs of some Texans? (I mean that non perjorativly). I mean just because ranchers still need horses doesn't mean the rest of us have to use them.

The world will go EV, even much of the US will go EV, regardless of what some folks need.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

#226

Post by toephu2 »

KnuthIsGod wrote: post #40

Global sales of Porsche, Audi, Mercedes and BMW brand ( BMW Group sales increased marginally, but includes) have all declined. The end is in sight for German cars as Chinese made electric cars take over. I have had several German cars. Never again ! Sticking to Japanese and probably Chinese cars in the future. German cars were decent once. Now they are notorious for poor long term reliability.

ICE cars are on the way to becoming obsolete.

Japan doesn't produce many strong competing EVs at the moment.

Why are you sticking with Japanese cars? why not American? But yes definitely Chinese EVs in the future when they come to America/Europe.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

#227

Post by julianeon »

toephu2 wrote: post #224
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (o…

A bit sad that you're in the industry and you don't understand why pure EVs are better than hybrids. Full EVs: Less moving parts = less maintenance required = less issues to worry about (think no oil changes, no timing belt changes, no spark plug replacements, no belt/filter changes, no exhaust system checks, etc). Also zero emissions = better air quality around you. Bonus: it's like waking up with a full take of gas…

I also can't help but think but the decade over decade improvement in EV goodies is going to be steep: more sensors, more ability if not to fully self-drive then to take over this aspect of driving (like backing up), etc.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

#228

Post by toephu2 »

joeel84 wrote: post #77

I just buy japanese cars/vehicles these days. With that being said a lot of them are manufactured stateside - especially larger vehicles. I had a Mitsu I was very happy with. I've also purchased Hyundai made in Korea and it is wonderful but not much better that what was built in Iowa.

Buying an ICE vehicle in 2026 is like...buying a video cassette player when DVD players were already coming out?

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

#230

Post by MarioMan »

dmix wrote: post #124
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (o…

The main issue will always be price. Whether that's purchase price, resale, or maintenance. Even the budget brand cars from South Korea and Ford can figure out the basics of interior/exterior design where customers are happy. That mostly just leaves the price and it's only gone up. Car prices have increased well above the rate of inflation over the last decade and even used cars are more expensive than ever. Average…

>Car prices have increased well above the rate of inflation over the last decade

This is a fair concern, but also, looking at the rise of average car prices is like looking at the rise of average iPhone prices. That is to say, cars (and iPhones) are providing increasingly premium offerings that didn’t exist decades ago. If you look at the entry levels of both these things, you find that the bottom-line price broadly keeps pace with inflation. And for cars, that’s with the addition of now-standard safety and convenience features. When you match cars feature-for-feature (an unrealistic comparison, as there aren’t really bare-bones cars on offer anymore), you’d see that cars are increasing in price much more slowly than inflation, and in other words, are effectively cheaper. Ultimately, whether car prices are rising or falling depends a lot on how you calculate things.

I’ll also add that EV pricing doesn’t have to mean insane car costs. The US market has the Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf each selling for about $30k new and can be readily bought for half that with used inventory.

Post reply on HN