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High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39

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Re: High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39

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Post by axxto »

elnatro wrote: post #160
rr2841 wrote: post #141

What we know so far: 1. The last 3 cars from the Iryo train (Frecciarossa 1000) derailed for unknown reasons. It's a straight line, so this is extremely rare. 2. The Renfe train (Alvia) didn't have time to break and hit the derailed trains from Iryo, the two first cars derail as a consequence of the impact. 3. The Iryo train(Frecciarossa 1000), that caused the accident, was manufactured in 2022 and it passed a techni…

You left out that the machinists warned about the bad state of the railway tracks and asked for reducing the train speed[1]. There is underfunding in all the railway network. [1]: https://www.eldebate.com/economia/20250809/maquinistas-piden...

You seem very well informed, so I'm sure you've read that every single railway engineer and independent expert is saying that this seems like a freak accident and that the causes are totally unknown.

Knowing this, you're still all over the thread trying to score political points while there are dead people still on the tracks. One quick glance on your posting history is all one needs to see that you're happy to take any chance to do so, apparently including the death of at least 39 people. You disgust me. Y te creerás un "español de los buenos". Felicidades, patriota.

Re: High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39

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Post by anthk »

elnatro wrote: post #160
rr2841 wrote: post #141

What we know so far: 1. The last 3 cars from the Iryo train (Frecciarossa 1000) derailed for unknown reasons. It's a straight line, so this is extremely rare. 2. The Renfe train (Alvia) didn't have time to break and hit the derailed trains from Iryo, the two first cars derail as a consequence of the impact. 3. The Iryo train(Frecciarossa 1000), that caused the accident, was manufactured in 2022 and it passed a techni…

You left out that the machinists warned about the bad state of the railway tracks and asked for reducing the train speed[1]. There is underfunding in all the railway network. [1]: https://www.eldebate.com/economia/20250809/maquinistas-piden...

They fixed it long before this. That newspaper it's pretty much a right wing fake news source.

Re: High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39

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Post by embedding-shape »

elnatro wrote: post #217
embedding-shape wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So smart, do you not understand the question? Don't answer if you can't, instead of trying to weasel. You're acting like the Spanish politicians now.

You are answering all my comments with dismissing my points. Are you angry at them? Feel that your party threatened by them? You are acting like a good politician servant. I am bringing facts to the conversation while you try to derail it.

Huh? I'm answering to a whole lot of comments, not just yours, you're not special ;)

I'm not angry at you or your comments, I'm mad about misinformation and opinion-pieces lacking nuance though, that I can confess. I have no party, I purposefully don't vote in the nationwide elections, only in local elections.

Anything else you'd like to know about me? Or we're good-to-go for second date already?

Re: High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39

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Post by bob1029 »

andy12_ wrote: post #167

The most important context is this image[1] from the Guardia Civil. Using Google Maps, and using as context the tree, post and yellow connection box in the image, we can place its location at 180m before the accident in the tracks of the Iryo train. The image appears to show a track welding failure. This would match the reports of some passengers[2] that reported that the "train started shaking violently" before the…

The first image looks like sabotage to me. Continuous welded rail sections are much longer than this gap.

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Post by anthk »

bflesch wrote: post #194
aa-jv wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opinion is not fact. Provide some facts to support your atrocious claims. You have provided only an opinion based on specious references to groupthink.

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Spaniard here. Nope; we are full of "take the money and run" type CEO's, where they even blamed the train driver. He might be partially accountable, but it wasn't his fault in the very end.

This happened in 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_de_Compostela_derailm...

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Post by anthk »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #29

If you’re interested in this kind of thing, look up plainly difficult on youtube. He has more videos on train crashes than I’ve seen, and I’m embarrassed how many I’ve seen. Here’s one to get you started: https://youtu.be/VV2rIHEp5AM?si=sSBT9s49PqbLTGbt There are a lot of safety lessons embedded in these videos, which is why I like them. I also did a double take when I heard "semaphore"; its history goes back far lon…

In Spanish a traffic light it's called a semaphore too.

Re: High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39

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Post by anthk »

rob74 wrote: post #82
bigmeme wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh you silly duck! Semafor is a common word in a handful of other languages for things like traffic lights and such. I had to do a double take when I first saw it in a programming class. Also hope you’re doing well it’s been a minute since our paths crossed on gdnet.

"Semaphore" is (old) Greek and means "sign (sema) bearer (phore)", and actually the meaning in railways and computing is more or less the same: in computing, a semaphore signals if a resource is in use; in railways, the resource is a segment of a railway line, and the user is a train.

It does the same role in plain roads between pedestrians, cars and similar vehicles.

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Post by master_crab »

t0mas88 wrote: post #196
rr2841 wrote: post #141

What we know so far: 1. The last 3 cars from the Iryo train (Frecciarossa 1000) derailed for unknown reasons. It's a straight line, so this is extremely rare. 2. The Renfe train (Alvia) didn't have time to break and hit the derailed trains from Iryo, the two first cars derail as a consequence of the impact. 3. The Iryo train(Frecciarossa 1000), that caused the accident, was manufactured in 2022 and it passed a techni…

> 3. The Iryo train(Frecciarossa 1000), that caused the accident, was manufactured in 2022 and it passed a technical inspection just 4 days ago. The inspection is a risk factor. There is data from the aviation industry for example that engine incidents on an engine that is certified for some thousands of hours of operation between inspection happen disproportionally in the first 100 hours (and then again at the end o…

Came here to say. I don’t know enough about their inspection guidelines and how intrusive it is on the train’s systems, but anytime you do something outside the norm (including inspections) you introduce a variable that may have played a part.

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Post by jacekm »

eudamoniac wrote: post #213

As an American with no good rails, I've always been curious: what stops a crazy person from throwing a boulder onto the high speed tracks, or a raccoon getting on it, or other such derailment attempts? Is there high security electric fencing all around the track the whole route or something like that?

Animals on tracks remain a problem, although they do not pose risk to human life (just damages to the trains). One of the attempts to protect animals include acoustic deterrents, here's a Polish one as an example [1] but they are manufactured around the world. The Polish one plays sounds of predators, dying creatures, hunting dogs, etc to scare away forest animals (search for "UOZ-1" on youtube if you want to hear the sounds). Such devices significantly lower the number of collisions but unfortunately they are not 100% effective.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0j68iepI88

Re: High-speed train collision in Spain kills at least 39

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Post by anthk »

pfdietz wrote: post #23
wk_end wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW: a single car crash killing 21 people would still be newsworthy in America. And I think if you math it out with something per capita equivalent, this would actually be an exceptionally bad day/incident for the US. But of course you're not wrong, trains are vastly safer than private cars. If anyone uses this as evidence against having a proper rail system, they're ignorant. But - until someone does that, there's…

https://international-railway-safety-council.com/safety-stat... In Europe, trains are 28 times safer than cars (fatalities per passenger-km).

I was born in the mid-late 80's, and I remember the 90's being an era where everyone knew in the remotest tiny village about youngsters dying in-road (usually because of being drunk). Dark ages.

You would find car related fatalities for granted every Summer in the news.

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