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‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid

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Post by cheese4242 »

idle_zealot wrote: post #212
cheese4242 wrote: post #201

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Thanks for taking the time to clarify your position. So if China or some other country decided to send 10 million people here for whatever reason, you think our official policy should be to welcome then in and provide them food, shelter, etc...? What about 100 million people? Should they also be given citizenship and right to vote in addition to food/shelter?

The only issue would be logistics. Getting supporting infrastructure and housing set up. But yeah, ultimately. More hands, more consumers. Why wouldn't we want as many citizens as possible, we certainly have the land for it.

I wonder in such a case if more populous countries like India or China could in theory send over 100 million+ people to our country over the course of a decade, and then once those people are citizens, legally vote for the US to be annexed by China, etc..

You could conquer a country without a single shot fired.

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Post by jakeydus »

whatthesmack wrote: post #101
RIMR wrote: post #30

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1. You don't deport millions of undocumented people, you find a way integrate those who are willing to work (most of them) into your society. 2. Obama and Biden didn't get the same level of attention because they weren't being publicly antagonistic and racist, or using deliberately cruel tactics to accomplish their goals. Or breaking the law / violating the constitution to meet their ends.

> 1. You don't deport millions of undocumented people, you find a way integrate those who are willing to work (most of them) into your society. How is that currently working out for all of Europe? Hint: not well at all. > 2. Obama and Biden didn't get the same level of attention because they weren't being publicly antagonistic and racist, or using deliberately cruel tactics to accomplish their goals. Or breaking the…

Trump referred to Somalis as "garbage". If that's not publicly antagonistic or racist then what is?

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Post by megous »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #189
pixelready wrote: post #12

I’ve never worked at Palantir, but once you get past the noisy leadership’s villain virtue signaling, every report I’ve read about the platform itself gives me strong “typical enterprise vendor” vibes. A lackluster software offering that is overhyped to institutional purchasers, then shoved down frontline employees’ throats because the vendor is good at navigating the sales and compliance labyrinth to secure deals. T…

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Does US have such a lack of space to fail to absorb 2-5% increase over years?

What's so hard about naturalizing or legalizing them, so that they can more easily interact with current power structures on the territory?

Capital city in the country where I live got a 25% population bump over a few months a few years back, of people who didn't even speak the language. Barely anything appretiably negative overall happened.

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Post by hairofadog »

anon291 wrote: post #135

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That's not what's happening. There wouldn't be the backlash if they were primarily deporting "the worst of the worst", as they promised, using due process. Instead they're targeting everyone, including people here legally and in many cases U.S. citizens, without due process, in the cruelest and most over-the-top way possible.

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Post by jboynyc »

tshaddox wrote: post #219
whatshisface wrote: post #180

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The fact that there is a demand for fake evil, functioning like fake piety did in the 1600s, is a flaw of difficult-to-encompass proportion. Our culture is totally bankrupt if companies are now pretending to be worse than they're in reality able to be. Of course, in contrast to piety all fake evil is also real evil.

You mean virtue signaling with the sign flipped?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vice_signalling

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Post by doctorpangloss »

commandlinefan wrote: post #81
bri3d wrote: post #20

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This is my understanding of Palantir too: it's a consultancy with a map, a graph database, and some "AI" nonsense. They sell expensive "forward deployed engineers" (aka, consultants) to customize this map and graph database to specific use cases. I'm not trying to argue Palantir is an ethical company; my views on "company ethics" are nuanced but I wouldn't put them anywhere near my "places I want to work" bucket. But…

> expensive "forward deployed engineers" (aka, consultants) Well, at least they're paying those consultants a lot of money, since they're charging a lot for them... right? Right?

no i think you and the people you are replying to are getting it completely backwards

people think Palantir makes a lot of money. did Palantir make a lot of money? No. Accenture Federal Services, Leidos Defense Civil IT & Services, Booz Allen Hamilton Gov Consulting & Cyber, General Dynamics Technologies, SAIC, and CACI combined made $61.9b in 2024, compared to all of Palantir which made $2.9b. so if you just look at some IT and defense companies' gov IT sales segments - we're not even including Raytheon or Lockheed Martin or Boeing where calculating such a thing is complex - Palantir's revenue looks very, very small.

people think Palantir makes vanilla "consultants" and “typical enterprise vendor vibes" products. does the thing that Palantir make work? we're talking about it! I think the reason we don't talk about Raytheon's version of this app is that Raytheon's (or Accenture's or...) version doesn't work haha

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Post by HumblyTossed »

periodjet wrote: post #134

Why have we all lost the ability to think in a nuanced way? It’s very disturbing to witness, particularly on a forum like HN, ostensibly populated by smart people. It’s possible to simultaneously believe that ICE has a clear and ethical mandate while also believing that they are going about fulfilling that mandate via bad methods that need to change. It’s possible to simultaneously believe that people shouldn’t be ma…

> particularly on a forum like HN, ostensibly populated by smart people.

Even smart people are capable of hate.

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Post by tokioyoyo »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #53
cg5280 wrote: post #48

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> The goals and motivation for using these tools, and their broad allowance of access to what should be highly controlled data (or in some cases even not collected at all) is the problem ... focus on the policy decisions that are leading to agencies wanting tools like this in the first place. That's how Karp seems to justify these things. Palantir's job is to (in theory) make government better at doing government thi…

I mean you can say stuff like that but the reality is they purposefully named themselves after a super villains magical spy apparatus so I'm not inclined to take his word about them being ethically neutral. Like I'm not really sure what they could name themselves after that would be more ominous

Even if they’re the most evil corpo ever, the buyer is still the government. If a democratically elected government buys this products, I would assume, in large scale of things, the general population wants the most evil corpo.
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