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BYD's cheapest electric cars to have Lidar self-driving tech

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Post by linohh »

lostlogin wrote: post #217
spiderfarmer wrote: post #148

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The ways in which Musk dug himself in when experts predicted this exact scenario confirmed to me he was not as smart as some people think he was. He seemed to have drank his own koolaid back then. And if he still doesn’t realize and admit he is wrong then he is just plain dumb. Pride is standing in the way of first principles.

> The ways in which Musk dug himself in when experts predicted This had happened a load of times with him. It seemed to ramp up around paedo sub, and I wonder what went on with him at that time.

Behaviour that would be consistent with stimulant abuse.

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Post by pkulak »

jg0r3 wrote: post #164
pkulak wrote: post #161

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I hate the guy, but I get the decision. A point cloud has a ceiling that the visible spectrum doesn’t, evidenced by our lack of lidar.

It's because stereo vision is "cheap" to implement, not because theoretical biological lidar has a "ceiling".

There’s no such thing as biological LiDAR.

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Post by iknowstuff »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #79
iknowstuff wrote: post #14

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Waymo is not an adas. There’s nothing close to FSD 14 abilities out there for consumers. And your stats comparing to waymo are made up and debunked in the very reddit thread they came from

Llm hallucination? I want to give posters the benefit of the doubt but I didn't mention a reddit thread. If you're just getting me mixed up with another poster, I got my stats from an electrek article supplemented by Waymo's releases: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ Tesla's tech is also marketed as a full self driving autopilot, not just basic driver assistance like adaptive cruise control. That's how they're doing…

Which article and what source did it use

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Post by iknowstuff »

kelnos wrote: post #208
iknowstuff wrote: post #12

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I said adas, nothing about waymo. That being said, yes they are, I ride them every day.

How can you possibly say that Tesla taxis have similar capabilities to Waymos when the former requires a safety driver to be present?

Because I use them both and I can tell Teslas are really, really good at driving, and more naturally than Waymo at that. Obviously there’s a reason they’re still supervised but if they manage to climb that mountain it’s game over for waymo

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Post by archagon »

senti_sentient wrote: post #46
g947o wrote: post #36

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US manufacturers are going to be ok as long as there are policies banning foreign cars and there are tariffs, which is going to be true for a long time. And somehow US consumers feel comfortable paying more for worse cars.

I had family friends visiting Australia from USA and they were surprised by the sheer number and varieties of Chinese cars on our roads. I too have a BYD Dolphin and Shark, they loved them and felt they’re missing out big time on this. Mind you we have lots of Teslas on the roads as well, but they are bleeding their lead.

How’s the charging infrastructure these days?

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Post by tpm »

brightball wrote: post #166
spiderfarmer wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ways in which Musk dug himself in when experts predicted this exact scenario confirmed to me he was not as smart as some people think he was. He seemed to have drank his own koolaid back then. And if he still doesn’t realize and admit he is wrong then he is just plain dumb. Pride is standing in the way of first principles.

I think there’s room for both points of view here. Going all in on visual processing means you can use it anywhere a person can go in any other technology, Optimus robots are just one example. And he’s not wrong that roads and driving laws are all built around human visual processing. The recent example of a power outage in SF where lidar powered Waymo’s all stopped working when the traffic lights were out and Tesla…

> Going all in on visual processing means you can use it anywhere a person can go in any other technology, Optimus robots are just one example.

Sure, and using lidar means you can use it anywhere a person can go in any other technology too.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

tim333 wrote: post #86
kelipso wrote: post #76

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Why is it preferable to wait for people to die and then sue the company instead of banning it in the first place?

They don't have to die first. The company can avoid the expense by planning how not to kill people. If you charged car makers $20m per pedestrian killed by their cars regardless of fault you'd probably see much safer designs.

By this logic, then we should also create a rule for regular, non-self-driving that says, if you have a car accident that kills someone, all your wealth is taken away and given to the victim's family. If we had a rule like this, then "you'd probably see much safer driving". Are you willing to drive under those circumstances? I am sure you will say yes, but it does not make your suggestion any less ridiculous.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

lkois wrote: post #201
dzhiurgis wrote: post #158

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> doing cameras plus Lidar At what proportion? Is it mostly lidar or mostly cameras? Or 50/50? > Potentially as extraneous as range to a surface that a camera can’t tell apart from background. I guess yeah for backside of the car you'd probably better off measuring actual actions. How about when you come 4 way stop. LIDAR is useless as it wouldn't recognize anyones turn signals.

What do you mean by proportion? They are different data sources, and their usage is determined by system design. eg A driving decision system needs to know object distances AND traffic light colours. It doesn't particularly need to know the source of either. You could have a camera-only system that accurately determines colour and fuzzy-determines distance. Or you could have a LIDAR-only system that accurately determ…

Sounds like a solved problem and you can buy a solution with a perfect accuracy?
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