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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by rngfnby »

The ranger has a tow rating of 7500 lb.

The gross vehicle weight (ie the max vehicle weight with the heifers, obviously stuffies) of the C15 is 1500 kg (hence the name) or 3300 lb.

Uhaul rents a car tow trailer rated for 5000 lb that weighs 2200 lb [1].

The Ranger, then, can tow the C-15 + the heifers = 5500 lb and have 2000 lb left over to put two real heifers, and do this legally at 70mph.

Citroen makes great vehicles though. Amazing off roaders.

[1] https://www.uhaul.com/Trailers/Auto-Transport-Rental/AT/

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by hn8726 »

kubb wrote: post #183
kube-system wrote: post #157

> The Ford Ranger (2020). One of the most popular pickups in the US. A key selling point is that the cabin is so high you can run over toddlers without even noticing. The craziest thing about this criticism is that it is phrased as hyperbole but the reality is that this is seen as a small truck in the US. The Ford Ranger actually is the best selling pickup truck in Europe for 10 straight years, but doesn’t sell as mu…

I think the F-150 is the most popular. I know many people don’t care about other’s subjective experiences, but it’s always such a mindfuck to my EU mind when I see trucks of this size. Like my brain expects the car to finish, but there’s more car. Then it happens again and again in a quick succession. It confuses me, I shake it off. I look at the car again. The bed is empty, there’s one person in it. Then I think „wh…

From my experience, these trucks make much more sense on a road in the US. European roads are fairly small so these trucks look _even bigger_, whereas in the US everything is massive so the cars fit. Still, having to look _up_ to see the windshield is crazy and I hope it won't be normalized in the EU

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jacquesm »

Aurornis wrote: post #164
jacquesm wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can do just that in lots of other industries.

Why don’t we start with computers and software first? Let’s eliminate all these different laptop options and force every manufacturer to use 3 government-mandated chassis sizes: Small, medium, and large. Make parts interchangeable with standard connectors and power budgets. Nobody is allowed to innovate or customize because we must be standardized. Where do you think we’d be now? Typing on our highly optimized MacBoo…

You are purposefully obtuse and I'm not sure what joy you derive from it but just to take your silly strawmen:

Laptops for the most part are put together from standardized parts and you can exchange the major ones (CPU, RAM, storage and often even the displays) from one brand to another and it will work. And if you go to desktop computers the range of parts that can be swapped out between manufacturers increases even further (power supplies, graphics cards, etc).

The 'highly optimized MacBook Pro' is as closed as apple can make it because they are trying to emulate car manufacturers, including 'model years'.

As for OS types, we have a basic common denominator, the boot environment and some abstractions which allow us to run a wide variety of operating systems on the same hardware.

And on that hardware you can run applications, which either talk to the OS directly using a standardized interface and there usually are a number of emulation options and VMs that allow you to run other operating systems and/or their applications, usually with some penalty but for the most part it works.

CNC machines use a lot of standardized tooling (I had a machine shop at some point, founded a CNC machine company, and I think I'm still in touch enough with this domain to be able to do it again if I want to today). Sure, you can't pull a board from one machine and stick it in another, but the G-code they use is for the most part backwards compatible to 1966 or so and it isn't rare at all to see a machine upgraded to the latest controllers and motors but keeping the frame, tooling and such.

Cars are over optimized to the point that the cost to society (in terms of landfill and recycling) is immense, there is most likely a point where a better balance between up front profits and cost to society can be found.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by tazjin »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #184
tazjin wrote: post #134

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Haha, how far is the middle of nowhere from the nearest town in Scotland? A few dozen kilometres?

Several hundred miles, depending where you go. From where I grew up, it's a four-hour drive to the nearest supermarket. If you're in the US, you're probably not used to driving long distances on roads that aren't basically perfectly straight and four times the width of your car. You wouldn't enjoy driving here.

I'm not in the US.

I spent some time on Google Maps, and the furthest spot I managed to find from a town was about 35km. Note that I didn't say anything about supermarkets - this is a thread about car reliability, so the context is how far you can be from a town where it's reasonable to expect that someone can help you with your car.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by kstrauser »

jeron wrote: post #208
kube-system wrote: post #157

> The Ford Ranger (2020). One of the most popular pickups in the US. A key selling point is that the cabin is so high you can run over toddlers without even noticing. The craziest thing about this criticism is that it is phrased as hyperbole but the reality is that this is seen as a small truck in the US. The Ford Ranger actually is the best selling pickup truck in Europe for 10 straight years, but doesn’t sell as mu…

I'm probably one of the few people in this thread who are actually truck shopping right now The ranger is a great option for most people but one of my capabilities for the truck is to bring my bike to motorcycle track days. Usually I'd only take a single motorcycle, however track days are more fun with friends. to fit two motorcycles in the back of the Ranger, you need to adjust the angle of the handlebars awkwardly…

So, the normal size truck actually carries the things you want to transport, if you move their handlebars.

You’d pay an extra $7000 because… you don’t like to pack?

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by scott_w »

writebetterc wrote: post #190
fwipsy wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> (not counting emergency and service vehicles) Just gotta read the last line too :P

Cut him some slack, he might have been having a heart attack at the time and in need of one of those ambulances!

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by nothrabannosir »

walthamstow wrote: post #70
HereBeBeasties wrote: post #42

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Such a thing exists. It's called a Dacia Duster. Well, certainly for utility and to a lesser extent economy.

Fiat Panda 4x4 too.

I had a Panda from the early 2010s and that was my exact thought reading this thread: sounds like a fiat panda. Surprised to see this downvoted. Did they change so much?

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

benregenspan wrote: post #200
hn8726 wrote: post #187

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> The Ford Ranger actually sells better in Europe than it does in the US. And the larger F series trucks sell more than an order of magnitude more. Do you have any sources for this? I looked online and found a couple of charts, none of them support this claim. The Ford Ranger sales in Europe vs US are similar (who buys more varies by year) but the F series seems to be mostly bought in US

I think they meant it has much larger % share of pickup market in Europe vs US, not necessarily higher absolute number of sales ( https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2025/02... )

Surely the hilux would be more popular than the ranger, but maybe Toyota just sends those to the developing world and Australia?

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by klum »

Fiveplus wrote: post #29
KronisLV wrote: post #19

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> The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I wonder how differently cars would be built, if instead of maximizing for value extraction and crap nobody needs, they instead were optimized for utility and maintenance (and sure, fuel economy, aerodynamics and some sane environmental stuff). Like take the C15 and add 2-4 decades of manufactur…

That would be the absolute dream engineering brief. If I actually sit down and design that vehicle, it would have something like this. List, off the top of my head. 1. You keep the modern metallurgy and the crumple zones. You keep ABS and basic traction control because they are solved problems that save lives without needing cloud connectivity. 2. Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in…

I have a theory that these environmental regulations at least to some degree defeat themselves. They make engines more complicated, so more fragile and harder for an amateur (edit: or any professional who isn't their own brand repair shops) to service. They encourage smaller-block engines with turbos and compressors which makes the engine more short-lived. They produce stuff like throttle-hang and gear selection recommendations optimized for driving economy, not engine longevity (or driving experience, for that matter).

On the whole, they seem to be contributing to this movement of taking power away from the end consumer and making your product more and more like a subscription (this goes further than the car industry, of course). I do realize that it's important to cut down on pollution! And maybe this kind of stuff has been studied... although I imagine it would be very hard to do accurately.

Imagine if a car manufacturer would provide service guides, easily-accessible part diagrams and competitively priced spare parts. Imagine if they optimized for longevity and if the handbook that came with the car had more technical details than it had warnings about how doing any kind of maintenance yourself will result in a) your death and b) a voided warranty. That would be pretty nice.

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