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All it took was a white mother (and US citizen) getting shot in broad daylight. As much as I hate to admit it, a large enough segment of the population needed something blatant like this to care.

It's not flattering to the US that the mother who was murdered needed specifically to be white for people to care.

Don't worry, it's worse. Half the country has branded her as a terrorist, and her killer as a hero.

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All it took was a white mother (and US citizen) getting shot in broad daylight. As much as I hate to admit it, a large enough segment of the population needed something blatant like this to care.

Odd. I thought she was a legal observer. It is funny how quickly the narratives changed given how little traction was gained on 'observer' status.

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The most maximally vindictive candidates are earning my votes in the coming election.

> most maximally vindictive candidates I think that's how we got to this point today, tbh.

Center/right voter here. I believe you are correct.

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> most maximally vindictive candidates I think that's how we got to this point today, tbh.

Quite the opposite actually. Democrats have been so complacent with the proto-fascists for so long, that republicans will now justify murdering a mother in broad daylight, filmed under 3 angles clearly showing she is fearing for her life. The solution to fascism is not compromise and weakness.

We live in different worlds, friend.

Please know there are people across the aisle that view it differently. When things calm down, talk with them and learn. Nobody wins when we insist the world is only as we alone view it.

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Indiscriminately?

Yes, seemingly so. I guess we'd have to wait for full investigations to conclude before saying for sure, but sure looks like it. > “To the extent that international humanitarian law applies, at the time of the attacks there was no way of knowing who possessed each device and who was nearby,” the experts said. “Simultaneous attacks by thousands of devices would inevitably violate humanitarian law, by failing to verify…

I mean, who else is using a pager in Lebanon? That's not a tool a normal consumer uses, it's only used by people to evade phone surveillance. I think it sounds like a high probability that anyone receiving one of these pages in Lebanon is part of Hezbollah.

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I mean look at Bundy V1. Law enforcement did not want to die over a few cows, so they said fuck it. Bundy (senior) is still grazing his cattle on that land to this day. Law enforcement is not any braver than you or I, if they don't have overwhelming firepower they fall back on their first commandment which is "the policeman goes home safe to his family at the cost of absolutely everyone else including defenseless chi…

Look at the MOVE bombing, etc - if they wanted to glass the Bundys, they would have. Safety wasn't the reason they didn't.

I wouldn't describe 'safety' as the state of things after the last time feds glassed a right-wing adjacent group. When the feds 'glassed' Waco, a little known guy named Timothy McVeigh was there. He used it as inspiration to bomb a federal building at which there were 700+ casualties of which over 150 were deaths.

The feds were very much aware "Bundys" was not just the ranching family but a whole bunch of people and greater militia network. If they had glassed Bundy himself it would have been a total shit-show.

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>One team is a feckless collection of timid hesitators who is trying to defend a social welfare policy from 70 years ago What is this referring to? >and the other team believes their volatile leader is infallible and will direct revenge at whatever they are pointed to by the latest 3am tweet. >It's just not the same. What does this have to do with gp's claim about cycle of reprisals by both parties? It can be simulta…

> What does this have to do with gp's claim about cycle of reprisals by both parties? It can be simultaneously possible to admit that the leader of one party is more sane than the other, and to observe that both parties are engaging in cycles of retaliation when they get in power, and that egging on even more retaliation is going to make the situation worse. I think the reason we are in the situation we are in now is…

"Retaliation" is the wrong framing. We have laws, we should follow them. When we don't is when we have these issues.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Yes, seemingly so. I guess we'd have to wait for full investigations to conclude before saying for sure, but sure looks like it. > “To the extent that international humanitarian law applies, at the time of the attacks there was no way of knowing who possessed each device and who was nearby,” the experts said. “Simultaneous attacks by thousands of devices would inevitably violate humanitarian law, by failing to verify…

I mean, who else is using a pager in Lebanon? That's not a tool a normal consumer uses, it's only used by people to evade phone surveillance. I think it sounds like a high probability that anyone receiving one of these pages in Lebanon is part of Hezbollah.

> I mean, who else is using a pager in Lebanon?

But they can impossibly actually know who physically has the pager next to them, when they're triggering them. This is the "failing to verify each target" part.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Sounds like, "What kind of American are you?" from the Jesse Plemmons character in the Alex Garland Civil War movie. Shouldn't the fact that ICE shot a woman trying to leave the scene be enough?

You see what you want to see, which is kinda revealing if you ask me. No. It is not enough. Reasonable person would be unlikely to find themselves in that position, which begs a simple question: What was her reason for being there? If you can answer that, we can start having a conversation. Until then, she is not some rando at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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