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The U.S. Government Just Followed Through on Its Ban of DJI Drones

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Post by DIVx0 »

simianparrot wrote: post #195
DIVx0 wrote: post #117

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I wouldn't want illegal aliens in my country. They're criminals. Norway doesn't allow it, we control our borders. We could do a better job, but at least we don't have a backlog the size of the US'

Glad that Norway has the immigration problem solved *eye roll*

Tell me more about how humans are criminals for existing? You hate the idea of someone standing on your piece of dirt without your express say-so that your preference is to live under an umbrella of fear and suspicion of your neighbors?

Forgive me, this is not how I want to live. I wonder how many Norwegians who settled in Minnesota were illegal immigrants?

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Post by skeeter2020 »

8note wrote: post #138
ericmay wrote: post #22

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Maybe, or maybe it’s just good policy to not import a network of drones from an adversary to democracies across the world, which includes the EU most importantly as China helps Russia with its invasion of Ukraine and is gearing up for some activity in Taiwan. People can just record all this stuff on their iPhones that they already have. You don’t need a DJI drone to record police malfeasance. Maybe you do in China or…

im in canada, but my mayor has been sharing details about emergency construction faily by including drone recorded footage of it. its very useful reporting updates about when the water will be back at full capacity.

I'm in Calgary too (I assume this is what you're referencing). In the wake of this crisis (again!) and the more general decline in trust - both in politicians and your neighbors - a sociologist on the radio was talking about how communication, and specifically drone footage, helps build trust and connect emotionally with the public. We're trying to get people to use less water, and you can scold them (to no effect) or show them actual overhead pictures of the damage and impact.

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Post by klipklop »

Kapura wrote: post #2

Seeing how drone warfare has become the new hot front in 21st century conflicts like Ukraine, it's hard not to speculate on the implications of this as political unrest continues to rise in the U.S. It's no secret that the current U.S. regime views a sizeable portion of its own civilian citizens as enemy combatants. They are already shooting people in the face and not even putting up a pretense of acting shocked at t…

Interesting that so many here are speculating that this ban is to stop "freedom fighters" in the US and not the obvious case that the US has wanted to reduce dependence on China in areas of critical technology.

Drones are not going away in the US, they will just not be made by their primary political adversary. Let's not be hyperbolic, the US is nowhere close to having a revolution or civil War. People need to stop getting their primary world view from doom scrolling instagram or reddit.

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Post by bradfa »

robomartin wrote: post #203
fidotron wrote: post #3

It's this now, but 3D printers, Meshtastic, and the ESP32 all seem likely to catch the ire of the administration if some deal is not done in the coming years. I've been saying it for ages, but a decent easily available western equivalent to the ESP32 (meaning easy WiFi) needs to happen, and until it does there will be a giant hole in the middle of the entire maker universe, which increasingly acts as the prototyping…

> I've been saying it for ages, but a decent easily available western equivalent to the ESP32 (meaning easy WiFi) needs to happen - Texas Instruments SimpleLink CC32xx (CC3220 / CC3235) - TI CC3235MODA module - Renesas DA16200 - Microchip PIC32MZ-W1 - Microchip WFI32 module family - Silicon Labs SiWx917 / SiWG917 - Silicon Labs SiWx917Y module - Nordic Semiconductor nRF7001/7002 WiFi 6 IC - Use with nRF52, nRF53 or n…

What's missing from these parts which makes people reach for ESP32 by default instead? (I don't have any experience with ESP32.)

The TI parts seem a bit expensive in small quantities, but the Microchip and SiliLabs parts are like $6-7 in single units from Digi-Key. Is it just that the dev kits are in the >$50 price range which puts people off compared to ESP32?

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Post by alex43578 »

leptons wrote: post #182
alex43578 wrote: post #160

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We have neither the money (see national debt) nor production capacity (see 155mm shells, missile production, howitzer barrels, etc) to give billions away for somebody else’s war. Furthermore, the weapons had a cost when they were new, and replacing them now carries a higher cost. Saying the price tag is fictional is like saying my dinner is free because the steak was already in my fridge.

The money that was paid to build those weapons went into the American economy, to all the companies that built them, to the employees that work for those companies, etc. Nobody is saying they were "free", but the military industrial complex has always been a jobs program. It employs plenty of Americans, it pays the bills when weapons get made. So we had a bunch of old stock that needed to be replaced, and giving them…

A) He’s absolutely saying they were free.

B) Ironic that you say some people have no ability to see the wider perspective while falling for the broken window fallacy of economics.

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Post by [deleted] »

aardvarkr wrote: post #70
jayd16 wrote: post #54

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That logic also means they shouldn't be banned under 2nd amendment protections, no?

No, you can think of them more like unarmed artillery shells. Can you walk down the street to buy some artillery munitions? Even if they were considered arms for the purpose of 2a this isn’t a ban on drones but a specific manufacturer. They government can definitely refuse to grant a manufacturer license to sell on this country.

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Post by skeeter2020 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #166
ceejayoz wrote: post #100

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> When has American done enough to fight Ukraine’s war for them? I'm inclined to think Ukraine is fighting our war for us. The 1980s Cold Warriors would've been flabbergasted at how cheap taking out the Russian military at the knees would wind up being.

It was 30 years of rot, neglect, theft and corruption that did the majority of the damage to Russia's post-USSR military. The army they have today in Ukraine is only a fraction of what they were capable of in the 1980s.

30 years from today? The army they had in the 80's was such a shadow of post WWII the country was essentially bankrupt, and why Gorbachev let the USSR satellites leave. They had no problem crushing change until they ran out of money. Russia today is much stronger than when the wall came down.

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Post by tucnak »

showerst wrote: post #125
lazide wrote: post #42

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Less drones for you, more for the military. There is no real downsides for the current gov’t here.

I build hobby scale drones for fun, mostly sub250g micros with no military value. I’d pay more for domestic parts, because I think the capability is strategically valuable, and the quality of Chinese stuff is super variable. There’s basically no industry here because the aliexpress parts are so cheap, so I support some protectionism, understanding that it will make the hobby more expensive. I think you’re probably ri…

What makes you think U.S.-manufactured parts would be less "variable" than Chinese stuff? I would guess the opposite to be the case: reliability comes from scale, and there's very little scale in U.S. electronics manufacturing in the first place.

Chinese stuff ranges from cheap to expensive, super reliable and super unreliable, too.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

ivell wrote: post #200
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #149

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> My takeaway is that all previous U.S. administrations had pretense of morality and rules in both international and domestic politics This is a perspective that continues to boggle my mind. Every record of the United States acting internationally has been either: Explicitly horrific (Invasion of Grenada, Vietnam, Firebombing then nuking Tokyo, Iraq etc…) Attempts to Subvert or ignore international law (IPCC, ICC, UN…

Actually I mentioned "pretense" in the sense of US pretending to be the good guy.

What do you mean by pretense?

The word pretense to me means “we’re gonna actually try this and let’s see how it goes”

The United States has literally never done that and we know that because internal documentations for pretty much anything always have some kind of American benefit Nexus it is not based on any type of foundational belief that transcends the concept of “we’re gonna do whatever the people who are the loudest owners of the political system of the United States want to do”

Everything else including: Powell going to the UN with a vile full of rice is just straight up unabashed unequivocal propaganda

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Post by doodlebugging »

loudmax wrote: post #151
ivell wrote: post #109

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My takeaway is that all previous U.S. administrations had pretense of morality and rules in both international and domestic politics (even when they did dubious stuff). The new administration has realized that there is no need for such pretense to stay in power. Previously Venezuelan attack would have been about "democracy" and "freedom" and "peace". Trump has made it clear that it is for oil. Overall it is probably…

No. That is excessively cynical. Even GW Bush and the neocons really thought toppling Hussein would benefit Iraqis more than just Americans. That invasion turned out to be a complete disaster that probably benefited Islamist radicals more than anybody else. But it's a mistake to think that the neocons didn't believe their own bullshit. The top leadership really believed they could turn Iraq into a liberal democracy a…

>No. That is excessively cynical. Even GW Bush and the neocons really thought toppling Hussein would benefit Iraqis more than just Americans.

The push into Iraq to remove Hussein was an effort to gain control over the oil and gas production in Iraq. It was favored by the domestic oil and gas industry here in the US and once we had boots on the ground in Afghanistan after Sept 11 and Bush&Co began making noise about Iraq and WoMD, the industry began digging up old geological and geophysical studies of the region to build interest and knowledge base domestically so that once our troops had control of the production areas domestic operators could move in to handle production. Industry publications had adverts for old Iraq datasets and services related to it before any invasion happened. Maybe they were just hedging their bets you say. Yeah, right. It was always about oil and gas in Iraq. They just needed to remove the thorn in their side and install a compliant government.

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